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That's how a reasonable american feels about this. Imagine what is now being felt by people who aren't U.S. citizens, who aren't protected by the U.S. constitu
by beloch 13y ago
That's how a reasonable american feels about this. Imagine what is now being felt by people who aren't U.S. citizens, who aren't protected by the U.S. constitution, but who use the same services and who now have their personal data under the noses of the NSA! Imagine how we feel every time Obama or other U.S. government officials try to reassure americans that it's okay and everything is all right because U.S. citizens are protected!
As Woz predicts, most people outside the U.S. are going to ignore this just as most people inside the U.S. will. Some might even laugh! "Haha. Look at the silly americans. They're acting like a banana republic again!". However, at least some of us feel deeply betrayed. Gmail, facebook, and other social/cloud services run by U.S. companies might be constantly trying to sell us stuff, but until now we could reasonably expect U.S. companies to behave according to laws we expect from a free and open first-world democracy. Instead, now we have found out that U.S. laws are being applied to force these companies to violate our privacy, and if we're not U.S. citizens we have absolutely no idea how far it goes.
Facebook: goodbye.
Dropbox: goodbye.
Gmail: goodbye.
Sadly, that's only the start. I'm Canadian. After the patriot act was passed, there was some concern about the privacy implications North of the border. For example Canadian banks, such as CIBC, often outsource some financial services to U.S. companies, and the patriot act greatly reduced the requirements for gaining access to our personal information through this conduit. When this happened it greatly concerned some people, but most of us laughed it off and said that we didn't need to worry if we didn't have a shady account in the Cayman's!
No longer.
CIBC: goodbye.
Am I overreacting? Am I paranoid? The sickening thing is I have no idea what the U.S. will do with all this information about me they have access to. They have no accountability to me and under their laws I have no rights. I am a non-citizen on foreign soil. I am the enemy. I can either try to ignore this or I can start avoiding companies that have anything to do with the U.S. as much as possible. This protects me and allows me to exert the only influence that I, as a foreigner, have on the U.S.: I can deny U.S. companies my money.
- lemming 13y agoFWIW you're not alone in feeling like this. Fortunately I deleted my Facebook and LinkedIn accounts years ago, but losing Google services is going to hurt. It also feels a little futile since my country, like yours, participates in Echelon so I'm not sure how much material difference it really makes. However I have absolutely no control over US policy, and the only thing I can do is hope to motivate Google to lobby for a sane internet by showing them that they are directly affected by the US administration's actions. That, and donate to the EFF. It's a shame, because there's a lot I really like about Google as a company, and I really think that they're trying to push the bar when it comes to privacy (elliptic cryptography etc) and I love things like Project Loon. But at the end of the day they're screwed for me by the jurisdiction they operate under.
- ra 13y agoTotally man. I'm in the process of switching my email from google apps to lavabit + imap client. I've already blocked cookies on www.google.com.au so my searches aren't logged, and I'm running Ghostery to cut all third part cookies. I hardly ever use facebook but it's definitely going. I'll still use dropbox to accept files from others, but I'll no longer use it as a defacto network drive. Sad, but the NSA and Whitehouse really fucked this up.
- znowi 13y ago> Am I overreacting? Am I paranoid? I think you're saner than many of us. As already being noted a few times, RMS, who is a designated "crackpot", has seen it coming a decade ago. I think a boiling frog metaphor is very appropriate to what's happening :)