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Or this may be a black op/psyop, with the leaked documents being fake, obsolete or irrelevant. Snowden himself may be a willing operative, or an unknowing pats

by kfcm 13y ago

Or this may be a black op/psyop, with the leaked documents being fake, obsolete or irrelevant. Snowden himself may be a willing operative, or an unknowing patsy. This is intelligence, where misdirection and outright deception are ways of life. Why should we take anything he--or what anyone involved in this--says at face value?

irishcoffee 13y ago
It seems that everyone around here is immediately willing to defend Snowden and cast the government as the bad guys. An excerpt from this article (http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/edward-snowden-is-completely-wrong-20130613 http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/edward-snowden-is-co...): > Baker says the government built in as many controls and oversights as it could think of. “Two different presidents from two different parties with very different perspectives. Two different Intelligence committees led by two different parties. A dozen judges chosen from among the life-appointed judiciary. None of them thought this was legally problematic,” Baker says. “And one guy says, ‘Yeah, I disagree, so I’m going to blow it up.’ If the insistence is, ‘It only satisfies me if it’s out in public,’ then we’re not talking about intelligence-gathering. We’re not even talking about law enforcement. We’re talking about research. And I’m not sure you can run a large country in a dangerous world just by doing open-source research.” > Other advocates of the NSA operation say the sheer vastness of the program is what helps shield citizens. “Individuals are protected by the anonymity granted by the quantity of information,” says Eric Posner, a University of Chicago law professor. “It’s just too difficult to spy on such a vast number of people in a way that’s meaningful.”

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Or this may be a black op/psyop, with the leaked documents being fake, obsolete or irrelevant. Snowden himself may be a willing operative, or an unknowing pats

by kfcm 13y ago

irishcoffee 13y ago
It seems that everyone around here is immediately willing to defend Snowden and cast the government as the bad guys. An excerpt from this article (http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/edward-snowden-is-completely-wrong-20130613 http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/edward-snowden-is-co...): > Baker says the government built in as many controls and oversights as it could think of. “Two different presidents from two different parties with very different perspectives. Two different Intelligence committees led by two different parties. A dozen judges chosen from among the life-appointed judiciary. None of them thought this was legally problematic,” Baker says. “And one guy says, ‘Yeah, I disagree, so I’m going to blow it up.’ If the insistence is, ‘It only satisfies me if it’s out in public,’ then we’re not talking about intelligence-gathering. We’re not even talking about law enforcement. We’re talking about research. And I’m not sure you can run a large country in a dangerous world just by doing open-source research.” > Other advocates of the NSA operation say the sheer vastness of the program is what helps shield citizens. “Individuals are protected by the anonymity granted by the quantity of information,” says Eric Posner, a University of Chicago law professor. “It’s just too difficult to spy on such a vast number of people in a way that’s meaningful.”