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Only Americans? Or can the rest of us yet to be proven not terrorists apply too?

by alan_cx 13y ago

doki_pen 13y ago
You bring up a good point. It's common knowledge that most countries have laws about spying on their own citizens, but not citizens of other nations. Furthermore, global intelligence organizations freely share intelligence. They have been using this "loophole" to effectively spy on their own citizens by proxy. It seems that it's in the best interest of all citizens of the world to form some sort of treaty that says they want spy on each other without due process. It's seems pretty counter intuitive that my own government would encourage, and even assist another government to spy on me. Isn't the main purpose of the government, the reason that I let the government exist in the first place, to protect me from foreign threats. Certainly another country spying on me is a threat worth protecting from.
tsaoutourpants 13y ago
Although I'll only be mailing requests with US addresses, you can certainly take the form from the site and mail your own. I encourage it!
dsl 13y ago
If you are not American, our laws apply to you, but not our rights. So you are out of luck if you want to file a FOIA.
- iamdave 13y ago
  If you are not American, our laws apply to you Huh?? Even if someone is physically not in the US? Have I misunderstood something for a very long time?
  - GoodIntentions 13y ago
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Emery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Emery There are other examples. This is the one that came to mind most readily. I don't smoke up. I don't support Marc Emery. I was however, ashamed at how nut-less my government was in handing him over.
- dsl 13y ago
  Replying to myself here... Not sure why this is getting down voted, it isn't hard to understand or show evidence of. You may not agree with it, but it is fact. For example a Columbian drug lord can break American laws without ever stepping foot on US soil. A hacker in China can violate wiretapping laws. The sovereignty of other nations has given way to extradition, extraordinary rendition, or even drone strikes.

Only Americans? Or can the rest of us yet to be proven not terrorists apply too?

by alan_cx 13y ago

Only Americans? Or can the rest of us yet to be proven not terrorists apply too?

You bring up a good point. It's common knowledge that most countries have laws about spying on their own citizens, but not citizens of other nations. Furthermore, global intelligence organizations freely share intelligence. They have been using this "loophole" to effectively spy on their own citizens by proxy. It seems that it's in the best interest of all citizens of the world to form some sort of treaty that says they want spy on each other without due process. It's seems pretty counter intuitive that my own government would encourage, and even assist another government to spy on me. Isn't the main purpose of the government, the reason that I let the government exist in the first place, to protect me from foreign threats. Certainly another country spying on me is a threat worth protecting from.

tsaoutourpants 13y ago

Although I'll only be mailing requests with US addresses, you can certainly take the form from the site and mail your own. I encourage it!

dsl 13y ago

If you are not American, our laws apply to you, but not our rights. So you are out of luck if you want to file a FOIA.

iamdave 13y ago
If you are not American, our laws apply to you Huh?? Even if someone is physically not in the US? Have I misunderstood something for a very long time?
- GoodIntentions 13y ago
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Emery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Emery There are other examples. This is the one that came to mind most readily. I don't smoke up. I don't support Marc Emery. I was however, ashamed at how nut-less my government was in handing him over.
dsl 13y ago
Replying to myself here... Not sure why this is getting down voted, it isn't hard to understand or show evidence of. You may not agree with it, but it is fact. For example a Columbian drug lord can break American laws without ever stepping foot on US soil. A hacker in China can violate wiretapping laws. The sovereignty of other nations has given way to extradition, extraordinary rendition, or even drone strikes.