> Also Oracle is pretty strong in the corporate Java space and has some great products there. And by great do you mean "fucking awful albeit reliable"? That's

> Also Oracle is pretty strong in the corporate Java space and has some great products there. And by great do you mean "fucking awful albeit reliable"? That's always how I saw Oracle products. A pain at every turn, but it works. Last I heard, that's why Oracle developers earn more than most: No one wants to do it.