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Perhaps the statement is a bit dramatic. However, there's plenty of evidence of things not being right. From passing laws with huge holes primed for abuse (Ob

Perhaps the statement is a bit dramatic. However, there's plenty of evidence of things not being right. From passing laws with huge holes primed for abuse (Obamacare) without even reading them and telling us "we have to pass it to see what's in it" [1] to blantantly changing votes to suit their agenda [2] and trying to justify spying on us because one day we might become terrorists [3]. Our representative republic has definitely mutated into something very different from what it was supposed to be. Just these three examples make the term "representative" --as applied to those who are supposed to represent us-- laughable. [1] http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU [2] http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l2sWTwbzAcw http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l2sWTwbzAcw "Let them do what they are going to do" [3] http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/court-order-verizon-call-data-dianne-feinstein http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/court-order-veri... "in case they became terrorist suspects in future"

davidw 13y ago
> there's plenty of evidence of things not being right No shit! Things were never "right", starting from the constitution defining slaves as 3/5ths of a human being. Women couldn't vote 100 years ago. In a lot of southern states, things were still pretty bad 50 years ago, and the idea of a black person being president was science fiction. You can dig up similar dirt on pretty much any country with enough history. Did you know that in Switzerland, universal suffrage for women wasn't fully approved until the 1970ies? Italy? Berlusconi - need I say more? Not right, however, does not mean "dead", and those who conflate the two come across as ill-informed, at best. Having to argue that the US is not just like North Korea as part of any political debate leaves little room for any serious, nuanced considerations.

davidw 13y ago

> there's plenty of evidence of things not being right No shit! Things were never "right", starting from the constitution defining slaves as 3/5ths of a human being. Women couldn't vote 100 years ago. In a lot of southern states, things were still pretty bad 50 years ago, and the idea of a black person being president was science fiction. You can dig up similar dirt on pretty much any country with enough history. Did you know that in Switzerland, universal suffrage for women wasn't fully approved until the 1970ies? Italy? Berlusconi - need I say more? Not right, however, does not mean "dead", and those who conflate the two come across as ill-informed, at best. Having to argue that the US is not just like North Korea as part of any political debate leaves little room for any serious, nuanced considerations.