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>things that are considered a publishable offence against religion to do in a church (akin to a hate crime in the US) people from countries without freedom of

>things that are considered a publishable offence against religion to do in a church (akin to a hate crime in the US) people from countries without freedom of speech (i.e. basically from countries other than US) frequently don't understand it. Expressing a religious (for example) hate isn't a crime in the US, while it is a crime in the Russia or Britain (and this is what the girls were punished for). Committing a crime motivated by hate of specific kinds (like religious, ethnic, etc...) is a hate crime in US and expected to be punished harsher than comparable crime without such hate motivation. >Also the use of the term "labor camps" is misinformative without context, evoking gulag or concentration camps, whereas "labor camps" (prisons where prisoners work) are just the most common type of prison in Russia. so, what has changed in Russian "most common type of prison" since Gulag?

Mikeb85 13y ago
The type of freedom of expression that Pussy Riot practiced in the Cathedral wouldn't be acceptable in any country, and likely not the US either. Had they performed it on the street outside, they would have escaped prosecution. Doing it inside the church would be unacceptable in any country, due to the protection any reasonable society offers to property belonging to an organization (like a church). In Canada they would have been charged and convicted of multiple crimes, and likely spent nearly as long in jail. The only reason the west supported this group is because it happened in Russia...
- VladRussian2 13y ago
  >The type of freedom of expression that Pussy Riot practiced in the Cathedral wouldn't be acceptable in any country, and likely not the US either as i said, people outside just don't get it - the perceived political and religious offensiveness of the action strongly weights in as the largest aggravating factor in their opinion about the action and punishment for it. The freedom of expression is protected in the US. The actual crimes committed - the trespassing and/or disorderly conduct, 2 misdemeanors, without priors ... - IANAL of course - seems less than 2nd non-felonious DUI, i.e. fine, community service (like picking up trash in parks and on roadsides) on weekends for few months, a month in jail if judge is in bad mood :)
- cafard 13y ago
  ACT UP used to raise a fuss in churches (mostly, as I recall, Catholic), and get dragged out by the cops. In one demonstration mentioned by Wikipedia, about 100 protestors were arrested, but got at most community service sentences. I do not say this particularly to support PR.

Mikeb85 13y ago

The type of freedom of expression that Pussy Riot practiced in the Cathedral wouldn't be acceptable in any country, and likely not the US either. Had they performed it on the street outside, they would have escaped prosecution. Doing it inside the church would be unacceptable in any country, due to the protection any reasonable society offers to property belonging to an organization (like a church). In Canada they would have been charged and convicted of multiple crimes, and likely spent nearly as long in jail. The only reason the west supported this group is because it happened in Russia...

VladRussian2 13y ago
>The type of freedom of expression that Pussy Riot practiced in the Cathedral wouldn't be acceptable in any country, and likely not the US either as i said, people outside just don't get it - the perceived political and religious offensiveness of the action strongly weights in as the largest aggravating factor in their opinion about the action and punishment for it. The freedom of expression is protected in the US. The actual crimes committed - the trespassing and/or disorderly conduct, 2 misdemeanors, without priors ... - IANAL of course - seems less than 2nd non-felonious DUI, i.e. fine, community service (like picking up trash in parks and on roadsides) on weekends for few months, a month in jail if judge is in bad mood :)
cafard 13y ago
ACT UP used to raise a fuss in churches (mostly, as I recall, Catholic), and get dragged out by the cops. In one demonstration mentioned by Wikipedia, about 100 protestors were arrested, but got at most community service sentences. I do not say this particularly to support PR.