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This hinges on the same re-definition of "collect" that Clapper tried to make, equating "go into the world and gather" with "go to the secret library of everyth
by alexqgb 13y ago
This hinges on the same re-definition of "collect" that Clapper tried to make, equating "go into the world and gather" with "go to the secret library of everything and retrieve."
The essential implication is that we're constructing a mirror of the world (or at least, as much of it as can be reduced to information). Unnervingly, we're operating as though law and language which developed in the original world will map directly to this new realm, even though it's obviously and radically different.
We really need to start talking about the Mirror World as such. Security and surveillance is just one (hugely problematic) aspect of what could easily be the 21st century's defining development. I suspect we're not going to reach a suitable détente on police and military surveillance until we've developed a commonly accepted sense of what the Mirror World entails for a constellation of considerations, from energy, economy and ecology to culture and education.
This really is the tip of a very big iceberg.
- jdp23 13y agoStewart Baker, former general counsel of the NSA, posted about this "collection-first model" last week on the Volokh conspiracy. To his credit, he did describe the gathering of the data as collection; but his underlying point was that the government is taking the approach of collecting it all and putting restrictions on use. Of course, he thinks that's on balance a good thing ... http://www.volokh.com/2013/06/07/minimization-and-the-collection-first-surveillance-model/ http://www.volokh.com/2013/06/07/minimization-and-the-collec...
- samstave 13y ago"go to the secret library of everything and retrieve." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_records https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_records
- kahirsch 13y agoClapper just made up a new definition of "collect" to excuse his brazen lie. I don't understand why Clapper still has a job. But there's nothing in this article that indicates that either Senator Feinstein or Senator Nelson was using the word in anything but the ordinary sense. After the FBI or NSA get a court order, they can look at the content of emails and listen in on phone calls going forward, and they can also get past communications that are still stored on the server--or the target's own computer, if they have access. Local police also get warrants to look at past emails and they sure don't use a database of everyone's emails.
- Terretta 13y ago> But there's nothing in this article that indicates that either Senator Feinstein or Senator Nelson was using the word in anything but the ordinary sense. Supporting implication is in the video in the article. Listen all the way through the video.
- Zigurd 13y agoBest new hashtag of the week: #leastuntruthful