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I was always impressed that Microsoft let you use Windows in a virtual machine on another platform at all (not all their competitors do). But then I realised t

I was always impressed that Microsoft let you use Windows in a virtual machine on another platform at all (not all their competitors do). But then I realised that it made business sense for them.

runjake 13y ago
Which competitors don't? The only competitor that comes to mind is Apple and they don't block this either -- though I believe they were the last holdout. Nor does Google, in any capacity, with Android or ChromeOS. Edit: I am dead wrong. Apple only permits the virtualization of OS X on Apple hardware, per the EULA. It does not permit the virtualization of OS X on non-Apple hardware. http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/OSX1082.pdf http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/OSX1082.pdf
- rednukleus 13y ago
  You still can't run OS X on non-Apple hardware can you? I'd love it if they changed that.
  - fowlerje 13y ago
    Sure you can. They have 10.8 VMs for VMWare Workstation. I'd recommend at least 8gb of RAM for smoother access though.
    - btian 13y ago
      That has questionable legality in the United States. I won't want to run it on my corporate PC.
    - r0s 13y ago
      I don't know OSX versions, is that a recent one? More important, can I get the most recent versions of browsers? (Safari,Chrome,FireFox)
      - freehunter 13y ago
        10.9 was just announced last week at WWDC.
    - sluukkonen 13y ago
      The EULA forbids you to run OS X on non-Apple hardware though. "to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments on each Mac Computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software, for purposes of: (a) software development; (b) testing during software development; (c) using OS X Server; or (d) personal, non-commercial use." http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/OSX1082.pdf http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/OSX1082.pdf
    - ja27 13y ago
      "They" being someone that posted an image on bittorrent? Apple doesn't license OS X for VMWare anywhere except Apple hardware. You can't even run a 10.8 guest on a 10.7 host per their license, which is really annoying.
      - scraplab 13y ago
        VMWare ESXi (and Fusion too, I expect) runs legitimate installations, with no hacks required, as long as it's on Apple hardware. You need the InstallESD.img file from the OS installer.
    - bdcravens 13y ago
      For VMWare Fusion, not VMWare Workstation, I believe, as Workstation doesn't have an OSX version, and as others have said, their license doesn't allow for running a VM on non-Apple hardware.
  - dudus 13y ago
    http://www.hackintosh.com/ http://www.hackintosh.com/
    - fuzzywalrus 13y ago
      Hackintoshes are great... if you're content never to update :/
      - wcfields 13y ago
        Or have weeks of free time to root out issues with zero documentation except for random forum posts.
        derleth 13y ago
        And a willingness to seethe with hatred at anyone who says they resolved an issue that's plaguing you without giving any hints as to how they resolved it.
  - adamcw 13y ago
    No you cannot. They relaxed the EULA to allow virtualization of Mac OS from a Mac OS host, however. You can also use the same licensed copy that acts as the host. The EULA revision came along with 10.8. Prior to that you could virtualize 10.7 Server, but once again, only with Mac OS as the host, and only with another licensed copy.
    - gilgoomesh 13y ago
      The revision came with 10.7 (non server). kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=2005793 Prior to that you could only virtualized 10.6 server.
- mtdewcmu 13y ago
  It's possible to attempt using OSX on a PC through VMware, but I can attest to the fact that it works very poorly. We tried to do this at one of my jobs, and for development in Xcode, it was for all practical purposes unusable.

I was always impressed that Microsoft let you use Windows in a virtual machine on another platform at all (not all their competitors do). But then I realised that it made business sense for them.

runjake 13y ago

Which competitors don't? The only competitor that comes to mind is Apple and they don't block this either -- though I believe they were the last holdout. Nor does Google, in any capacity, with Android or ChromeOS. Edit: I am dead wrong. Apple only permits the virtualization of OS X on Apple hardware, per the EULA. It does not permit the virtualization of OS X on non-Apple hardware. http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/OSX1082.pdf http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/OSX1082.pdf

rednukleus 13y ago
You still can't run OS X on non-Apple hardware can you? I'd love it if they changed that.
- fowlerje 13y ago
  Sure you can. They have 10.8 VMs for VMWare Workstation. I'd recommend at least 8gb of RAM for smoother access though.
  - btian 13y ago
    That has questionable legality in the United States. I won't want to run it on my corporate PC.
  - r0s 13y ago
    I don't know OSX versions, is that a recent one? More important, can I get the most recent versions of browsers? (Safari,Chrome,FireFox)
    - freehunter 13y ago
      10.9 was just announced last week at WWDC.
  - sluukkonen 13y ago
    The EULA forbids you to run OS X on non-Apple hardware though. "to install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments on each Mac Computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software, for purposes of: (a) software development; (b) testing during software development; (c) using OS X Server; or (d) personal, non-commercial use." http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/OSX1082.pdf http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/OSX1082.pdf
  - ja27 13y ago
    "They" being someone that posted an image on bittorrent? Apple doesn't license OS X for VMWare anywhere except Apple hardware. You can't even run a 10.8 guest on a 10.7 host per their license, which is really annoying.
    - scraplab 13y ago
      VMWare ESXi (and Fusion too, I expect) runs legitimate installations, with no hacks required, as long as it's on Apple hardware. You need the InstallESD.img file from the OS installer.
  - bdcravens 13y ago
    For VMWare Fusion, not VMWare Workstation, I believe, as Workstation doesn't have an OSX version, and as others have said, their license doesn't allow for running a VM on non-Apple hardware.
- dudus 13y ago
  http://www.hackintosh.com/ http://www.hackintosh.com/
  - fuzzywalrus 13y ago
    Hackintoshes are great... if you're content never to update :/
    - wcfields 13y ago
      Or have weeks of free time to root out issues with zero documentation except for random forum posts.
      - derleth 13y ago
        And a willingness to seethe with hatred at anyone who says they resolved an issue that's plaguing you without giving any hints as to how they resolved it.
- adamcw 13y ago
  No you cannot. They relaxed the EULA to allow virtualization of Mac OS from a Mac OS host, however. You can also use the same licensed copy that acts as the host. The EULA revision came along with 10.8. Prior to that you could virtualize 10.7 Server, but once again, only with Mac OS as the host, and only with another licensed copy.
  - gilgoomesh 13y ago
    The revision came with 10.7 (non server). kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=2005793 Prior to that you could only virtualized 10.6 server.
mtdewcmu 13y ago
It's possible to attempt using OSX on a PC through VMware, but I can attest to the fact that it works very poorly. We tried to do this at one of my jobs, and for development in Xcode, it was for all practical purposes unusable.