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Your argument is ridiculous. I know of no religious conservatives or anyone else for that matter who like STDs. You should research a little more before spewi

Your argument is ridiculous. I know of no religious conservatives or anyone else for that matter who like STDs. You should research a little more before spewing your own blind hatred since many religious conservatives donate their time and money to eliminate those same diseases as well as poverty, hunger, and others laudable goals. Obviously one can go on and on about the various good things that religious conservatives do. My point was that it is disingenuous to portray all religious conservatives as a group that enjoys the pain and suffering of fellow human beings in order to further their goals.

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asciilifeform 18y ago
> know of no religious conservatives or anyone else for that matter who like STDs Then you willfully ignorant, at best: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hiv+god's+punishment&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hiv+god's+punishmen... I stand by my argument. Whether or not they openly claim to like STDs, religious conservatives and, say, HIV are natural friends. To the extent that the fundamentalist religions actually believe in their stated goals of discouraging promiscuous and homosexual conduct, the popular fear of HIV et al helps to make sexual mores more Victorian than they otherwise would be. If and when we exterminate all STDs (a pocket-sized instant tester costing <$100 would do just that, and may be around the corner) and develop perfect unobtrusive birth control (say, immunocontraceptives currently being tested), sexual taboos will eventually go the way of the taboo on working on Sundays. And religions which attempt to restrict sexual conduct will be viewed as revolting anachronisms.
- kajecounterhack 18y ago
  Way to take an unrepresentative part to mean the whole. Stop generalizing. That google search proves nothing except that there are a bunch of vocal idiots on the internet. It's not like that's something foreign. Don't make up silly hypothetical "if" statements. Let us look at reality: contraceptives are supported by most religious people. To say that religion is against contraception is to look at outmoded views from again, an unrepresentative part of an entire religion. And religions which attempt to restrict sexual conduct are already viewed by many as revolting anachronisms -- so you're just using a hypothetical statement to make an incorrect generalization to support the viewpoint you hold. You're wrong.
  - asciilifeform 18y ago
    > an unrepresentative part The fundamentalists are the particular religious people whose beliefs and actions are most relevant to me, as a nonbeliever. The masses who "live and let live" are politically irrelevant. The crazies are fully representative of those religious people whose stances actually affect my life. > Contraceptives are supported by most religious people So, which church is distributing condoms to Africans? Oh, that's right, none of them.
    - Hexstream 18y ago
      "So, which church is distributing condoms to Africans? Oh, that's right, none of them." I don't think most religious people go on missions in Africa... in fact it's probably the fundamentalist minority that would do that kind of thing.
      - asciilifeform 18y ago
        That was precisely my point. It is the fundamentalists of every religion who work hardest to insert their religion into the lives of nonbelievers.
        lukifer 18y ago
        Your post(s) could have been made entirely accurate with the judicious application of the word "some". It was probably already implicit in your mind, but not necessarily in the mind of the reader.

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asciilifeform 18y ago

> know of no religious conservatives or anyone else for that matter who like STDs Then you willfully ignorant, at best: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hiv+god's+punishment&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hiv+god's+punishmen... I stand by my argument. Whether or not they openly claim to like STDs, religious conservatives and, say, HIV are natural friends. To the extent that the fundamentalist religions actually believe in their stated goals of discouraging promiscuous and homosexual conduct, the popular fear of HIV et al helps to make sexual mores more Victorian than they otherwise would be. If and when we exterminate all STDs (a pocket-sized instant tester costing <$100 would do just that, and may be around the corner) and develop perfect unobtrusive birth control (say, immunocontraceptives currently being tested), sexual taboos will eventually go the way of the taboo on working on Sundays. And religions which attempt to restrict sexual conduct will be viewed as revolting anachronisms.

kajecounterhack 18y ago
Way to take an unrepresentative part to mean the whole. Stop generalizing. That google search proves nothing except that there are a bunch of vocal idiots on the internet. It's not like that's something foreign. Don't make up silly hypothetical "if" statements. Let us look at reality: contraceptives are supported by most religious people. To say that religion is against contraception is to look at outmoded views from again, an unrepresentative part of an entire religion. And religions which attempt to restrict sexual conduct are already viewed by many as revolting anachronisms -- so you're just using a hypothetical statement to make an incorrect generalization to support the viewpoint you hold. You're wrong.
- asciilifeform 18y ago
  > an unrepresentative part The fundamentalists are the particular religious people whose beliefs and actions are most relevant to me, as a nonbeliever. The masses who "live and let live" are politically irrelevant. The crazies are fully representative of those religious people whose stances actually affect my life. > Contraceptives are supported by most religious people So, which church is distributing condoms to Africans? Oh, that's right, none of them.
  - Hexstream 18y ago
    "So, which church is distributing condoms to Africans? Oh, that's right, none of them." I don't think most religious people go on missions in Africa... in fact it's probably the fundamentalist minority that would do that kind of thing.
    - asciilifeform 18y ago
      That was precisely my point. It is the fundamentalists of every religion who work hardest to insert their religion into the lives of nonbelievers.
      - lukifer 18y ago
        Your post(s) could have been made entirely accurate with the judicious application of the word "some". It was probably already implicit in your mind, but not necessarily in the mind of the reader.