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isn't this consistent with the conclusion that they're using "metadata" from ISPs to do network analysis and then, from the results of that, requesting targeted

isn't this consistent with the conclusion that they're using "metadata" from ISPs to do network analysis and then, from the results of that, requesting targeted information from web companies? i thought that was the consensus take on all this? or am i just imagining a consensus? if so, is the above likely wrong? [we know telecom companies cooperate (at&t, what happens to qwest when you don't). we know that the nsa is collecting metdata on everyone because they've had to redefine "collecting"[1]. we also know prism isn't rocket science because it's only $20m. and we know there's no "direct access" to servers because that was so carefully scripted in all the denials. hence network analysis of (all) calls, then targeted "legal" requests. [1] http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130606/22435723348/nsas-favorite-weasel-word-to-pretend-its-claiming-it-doesnt-spy-americans.shtml http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130606/22435723348/nsas-f...]

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- andrewcooke 13y ago
  ok - i don't have any specific source in mind; it could be that i am just making assumptions there. i will pay more attention and see if i notice anything. [oh, this was in response to a reply, now deleted, saying that they had only seen "telephony metadata" mentioned - if you're the original author and you realised that telecomms metadata has been mentioned, email me at andrew@acooke.org and i'll delete this, but otherwise i'll leave it as it seems like a reasonable point.] [related https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5871665 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5871665]
rayiner 13y ago
Your analysis seems to be precisely what is going on.
tptacek 13y ago
Every ISP in the world already has an infrastructure for collecting this kind of metadata (albeit using some degree of sampling); some ISPs even have provisions for sharing signatures generated from that metadata. So yeah, this sounds credible.

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andrewcooke 13y ago
ok - i don't have any specific source in mind; it could be that i am just making assumptions there. i will pay more attention and see if i notice anything. [oh, this was in response to a reply, now deleted, saying that they had only seen "telephony metadata" mentioned - if you're the original author and you realised that telecomms metadata has been mentioned, email me at andrew@acooke.org and i'll delete this, but otherwise i'll leave it as it seems like a reasonable point.] [related https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5871665 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5871665]

rayiner 13y ago

Your analysis seems to be precisely what is going on.

tptacek 13y ago

Every ISP in the world already has an infrastructure for collecting this kind of metadata (albeit using some degree of sampling); some ISPs even have provisions for sharing signatures generated from that metadata. So yeah, this sounds credible.