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> That's cool. Move on. Use what is best for you. You didn't understand the point of the article. Breaking user-experience is the absolute worst thing any soft

by felipec 13y ago

> That's cool. Move on. Use what is best for you. You didn't understand the point of the article. Breaking user-experience is the absolute worst thing any software project could do. It goes against the "Linux way".

darklajid 13y ago
Actually there is no point - imo. The people that "broke" (hey, see the quotes?) the user experience you expected and liked are the people that steer the project. They are free to do that, just like any company is free to (drastically? I don't quite think that's the case here, but let's go with it) change their product. You have some benefits, though: - You didn't pay a dime. Sure, you might've invested time learning to use Gnome 2 to your utmost satisfaction. You might've spent a good amount of hours to configure it to your liking. The product though? You got it for free and without any contract stating that your personal workflow would work in every future version, that your preferences are important to the project goals. - You got the source. People complain just the same about WIndows 8 and they are stuck. Unless they find a way to jump to a totally different OS or stay in the past forever, they'll have to swallow the (imo not thaaat bad) changes. Maybe they can install some workarounds. You? You can enjoy a multitude of alternatives. You don't need to move away from your favorite applications. You can even, in fact, install one of the Gnome 2 forks (think Mint etc.) and imagine that Gnome 3 never happened. You're not without options. Posting stuff like this rant on your blog? That's not helpful. You cannot seriously believe that this will change a thing. People that don't agree with you are going to sadly shake their heads. Gnome (3) developers are not even going to _read_ your blog, based on your way to communicate. You reach only the people that already agreed with you in the first place. I'm sure you guys could have a good time in a bar, sharing complaints about ways Gnome 3 broke the user experience for you. But .. don't even start to believe that you represent all of the Gnome user base, much less the majority. Putting everything that obviously divides us beside: Can you explain in 2-3 sentences what you'd hope to archive with that post of yours, the way you present your arguments? Is there any serious agenda, or is that just a way to blow off steam?
- felipec 13y ago
  > The people that "broke" (hey, see the quotes?) the user experience you expected and liked are the people that steer the project. They are free to do that, Yes, they have all the freedom to destroy their project.
  - darklajid 13y ago
    Oh my. You believe that, do you? They don't. They work on something they believe in. Now - that's not a reason to agree by default: Lots of people do things they believe in and fail their social circles or even society. But there's no further point to argue about: Your article was a (poor) rant, your comments here are further proof that you deeply disagree with everything Gnome 3 and still are unable to provide any meaningful comment. I'm trying to put it simple: If Gnome 3 doesn't solve your goals, it's not 'destroying the project'. If a couple of 'Yeah, that's really crap, mate' people agree with you that doesn't magically make you the majority of the userbase, nor does it mean that the developers are wrong and you are right. In all seriousness: After your rant was posted you had only one way to react without digging an even deeper hole: Acknowledge that you were overly aggressive and wrong in quite some points. Instead you continue witih statements like this. English is a foreign language for me, but I think 'to pout' is the verb I'd grab for if I'd need to talk about this comment of yours. Stop complaining, start improving things you care for.
u2328 13y ago
That's subjective. I'm a big fan of the user-experience GNOME 3 provides, and I strongly prefer over KDE, OS X, Windows 8, etc... There are many others that agree with that sentiment. You may not like it, and that's fine. There are plenty of options. But, please, stop whining about it incessantly.

by felipec 13y ago

darklajid 13y ago

Actually there is no point - imo. The people that "broke" (hey, see the quotes?) the user experience you expected and liked are the people that steer the project. They are free to do that, just like any company is free to (drastically? I don't quite think that's the case here, but let's go with it) change their product. You have some benefits, though: - You didn't pay a dime. Sure, you might've invested time learning to use Gnome 2 to your utmost satisfaction. You might've spent a good amount of hours to configure it to your liking. The product though? You got it for free and without any contract stating that your personal workflow would work in every future version, that your preferences are important to the project goals. - You got the source. People complain just the same about WIndows 8 and they are stuck. Unless they find a way to jump to a totally different OS or stay in the past forever, they'll have to swallow the (imo not thaaat bad) changes. Maybe they can install some workarounds. You? You can enjoy a multitude of alternatives. You don't need to move away from your favorite applications. You can even, in fact, install one of the Gnome 2 forks (think Mint etc.) and imagine that Gnome 3 never happened. You're not without options. Posting stuff like this rant on your blog? That's not helpful. You cannot seriously believe that this will change a thing. People that don't agree with you are going to sadly shake their heads. Gnome (3) developers are not even going to _read_ your blog, based on your way to communicate. You reach only the people that already agreed with you in the first place. I'm sure you guys could have a good time in a bar, sharing complaints about ways Gnome 3 broke the user experience for you. But .. don't even start to believe that you represent all of the Gnome user base, much less the majority. Putting everything that obviously divides us beside: Can you explain in 2-3 sentences what you'd hope to archive with that post of yours, the way you present your arguments? Is there any serious agenda, or is that just a way to blow off steam?

felipec 13y ago
> The people that "broke" (hey, see the quotes?) the user experience you expected and liked are the people that steer the project. They are free to do that, Yes, they have all the freedom to destroy their project.
- darklajid 13y ago
  Oh my. You believe that, do you? They don't. They work on something they believe in. Now - that's not a reason to agree by default: Lots of people do things they believe in and fail their social circles or even society. But there's no further point to argue about: Your article was a (poor) rant, your comments here are further proof that you deeply disagree with everything Gnome 3 and still are unable to provide any meaningful comment. I'm trying to put it simple: If Gnome 3 doesn't solve your goals, it's not 'destroying the project'. If a couple of 'Yeah, that's really crap, mate' people agree with you that doesn't magically make you the majority of the userbase, nor does it mean that the developers are wrong and you are right. In all seriousness: After your rant was posted you had only one way to react without digging an even deeper hole: Acknowledge that you were overly aggressive and wrong in quite some points. Instead you continue witih statements like this. English is a foreign language for me, but I think 'to pout' is the verb I'd grab for if I'd need to talk about this comment of yours. Stop complaining, start improving things you care for.

u2328 13y ago

That's subjective. I'm a big fan of the user-experience GNOME 3 provides, and I strongly prefer over KDE, OS X, Windows 8, etc... There are many others that agree with that sentiment. You may not like it, and that's fine. There are plenty of options. But, please, stop whining about it incessantly.