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There is a much bigger problem with GNOME 3, it is fighting a battle that nobody cares about anymore. People using GNOME and KDE used to have this notion where

There is a much bigger problem with GNOME 3, it is fighting a battle that nobody cares about anymore. People using GNOME and KDE used to have this notion where they are trying to build a Windows replacement or a Mac replacement to get people to use FOSS. Ubuntu showed that what needs to happen is to make a better UX overall and that has nothing to do with Mac or Windows. What I mean by UX is stuff like drivers working, being able to install on a laptop or just buy it on a laptop and stuff "just works". People will pay money to support things that work. They will buy things that work. Millions of people are using Android, which is Linux based, because it just works on their device. The experience is pretty great and it makes it easy to do what you need to do when you need to do it. GNOME 3 didn't solve any user experience problem. It is new and shiny just because. It didn't make it better than Ubuntu, or Windows, or Mac, or Android.

krakensden 13y ago
This isn't particularly useful or accurate. The larger Gnome diaspora has been pretty instrumental in draining the swamp of hardware problems and dumb broken things. Gnome's 'flagship distro', unfortunately, is Fedora, which is... structurally not super-suited to creating a user-facing distribution. Canonical has done lots of interesting work over the past decade or so, but ultimately most of the 'just work' they have didn't really come from their employees or investments.
- felipec 13y ago
  > The larger Gnome diaspora has been pretty instrumental in draining the swamp of hardware problems and dumb broken things. True, but not particularly more than KDE, or any other environment.
  - Zardoz84 13y ago
    KDE works in broken graphics drivers. GNOME only give you missing characters, deformed windows, etc... And isn't GTK getting something wrong. I try for example OpenBOX and all works fine.
- andrewflnr 13y ago
  What's wrong with Fedora in that respect? Just curious, since I haven't heard anything like that before.

krakensden 13y ago

This isn't particularly useful or accurate. The larger Gnome diaspora has been pretty instrumental in draining the swamp of hardware problems and dumb broken things. Gnome's 'flagship distro', unfortunately, is Fedora, which is... structurally not super-suited to creating a user-facing distribution. Canonical has done lots of interesting work over the past decade or so, but ultimately most of the 'just work' they have didn't really come from their employees or investments.

felipec 13y ago
> The larger Gnome diaspora has been pretty instrumental in draining the swamp of hardware problems and dumb broken things. True, but not particularly more than KDE, or any other environment.
- Zardoz84 13y ago
  KDE works in broken graphics drivers. GNOME only give you missing characters, deformed windows, etc... And isn't GTK getting something wrong. I try for example OpenBOX and all works fine.
andrewflnr 13y ago
What's wrong with Fedora in that respect? Just curious, since I haven't heard anything like that before.