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Why would this be unrelated to PRISM? As this guy doesn't know what he's accused of, and we have no idea what PRISM is looking for, assuming they're unrelated i

by piqufoh 13y ago

Why would this be unrelated to PRISM? As this guy doesn't know what he's accused of, and we have no idea what PRISM is looking for, assuming they're unrelated is as fallacious as assuming they are related.

untog 13y ago
My cable internet got cut off 48 hours ago. I'm still doing a merry jig with Time Warner to work out why. So it was probably PRISM, right? The NSA saw that I was posing about PRISM online and immediately moved to sever my connection to the outside world. There is zero evidence to link Omar's case with PRISM- especially as the events described started over a year and a half ago. I am not "assuming" that it is unrelated, I am making a decision based on the fact that there is no evidence linking the two. When such evidence arises, I'll re-examine my opinion. But assuming that everything is related to PRISM because it involves computers and/or the government is a slippery slope into tin foil hatted-ness.
JOnAgain 13y ago
The kind of thing that this article described happened all the time before anyone knew about prism. It just never got much publicity.
army 13y ago
This sort of stuff has been happening forever. I'm sure if you found some people who were international students in the 80s or 90s they would have similar stories about capriciousness with regards to student visas. The rules basically say that embassy official should only give out student visas if they are confident that the student meets the terms of the visa, particularly that they have no intent to overstay or permanently immigrate to the U.S. I.e. the default is not granting the visa, rather than granting the visa. The rules are bizarre: while you're on a non-immigrant visa you have to prove that you have no intent to immigrate or seek immigrant status, yet ultimately many people will seek green cards. Indeed, there is plenty of talk that the U.S. should actively seek to encourage international students to stay permanently, while at the same time the rules say that visas shouldn't be granted to international students who might possibly be considering staying permanently.
- jisaacstone 13y ago
  Yes and it explicitly says that visa applicants are guilty until proven innocent.

by piqufoh 13y ago

untog 13y ago

My cable internet got cut off 48 hours ago. I'm still doing a merry jig with Time Warner to work out why. So it was probably PRISM, right? The NSA saw that I was posing about PRISM online and immediately moved to sever my connection to the outside world. There is zero evidence to link Omar's case with PRISM- especially as the events described started over a year and a half ago. I am not "assuming" that it is unrelated, I am making a decision based on the fact that there is no evidence linking the two. When such evidence arises, I'll re-examine my opinion. But assuming that everything is related to PRISM because it involves computers and/or the government is a slippery slope into tin foil hatted-ness.

JOnAgain 13y ago

The kind of thing that this article described happened all the time before anyone knew about prism. It just never got much publicity.

army 13y ago

This sort of stuff has been happening forever. I'm sure if you found some people who were international students in the 80s or 90s they would have similar stories about capriciousness with regards to student visas. The rules basically say that embassy official should only give out student visas if they are confident that the student meets the terms of the visa, particularly that they have no intent to overstay or permanently immigrate to the U.S. I.e. the default is not granting the visa, rather than granting the visa. The rules are bizarre: while you're on a non-immigrant visa you have to prove that you have no intent to immigrate or seek immigrant status, yet ultimately many people will seek green cards. Indeed, there is plenty of talk that the U.S. should actively seek to encourage international students to stay permanently, while at the same time the rules say that visas shouldn't be granted to international students who might possibly be considering staying permanently.

jisaacstone 13y ago
Yes and it explicitly says that visa applicants are guilty until proven innocent.