No one is suggesting that the NSA or these system should or would go, even many would like to see that happen. The whole point is over-sight, and making these

No one is suggesting that the NSA or these system should or would go, even many would like to see that happen. The whole point is over-sight, and making these spooks follow the laws of the land. See, the point is we can all see and debate these laws and rules. We don't need to know about the operations of the NSA as long as we have confidence in the rules, over-sight and enforcement. Here is my problem: When was the last time any of us, US or non US, heard of a senior spook employee sacked and jailed for breaking the laws governing their work, with out it becoming public first as an accusation in the media? The real problem is the closed loop shop which only respects the law one some one out side of the closed shop discovers the law breaking. The over sight is totally broken, and worse still there is literally zero incentive for it to be fixed.