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No it hasn't. And they'll have to budge, or go out. Too much money has been put (It's the tax-payers money) and value gained (doesn't it sound like finding terr

No it hasn't. And they'll have to budge, or go out. Too much money has been put (It's the tax-payers money) and value gained (doesn't it sound like finding terrorists this way is as bad as finding the next superstar for Hollywood?) is near-negligible in contrast to the value eroded: trust that's been destroyed - particularly in Internet companies - both inside and outside of US. Think again. > Our only choice is to accept this and live in the knowledge that we are always being watched, or go as dark as the modern world currently permits without hindering day to day life. You sound low here, but if the above were true then it'd mean that people are willing to live under a dictator too. That's simply untrue.

reinhardt 13y ago
The problem is (most) people seem to be ok with the have-nothing-to-hide argument. Unless the public opinion on this is inverted, there's not much hope for change I'm afraid.
Ygg2 13y ago
>You sound low here, but if the above were true then it'd mean that people are willing to live under a dictator too. That's simply untrue. It's true now. But it might be true in future. Hate to sound pessimistic but there are benefits (however perverse they are) to dictatorship. You aren't pestered every year to vote (unless it's a democratic dictator that rigs the elections). You aren't asked about lot of things. You don't have to worry about saving the environment or your impact, just what he does. Things most people dislike like gays or immigrants is taken care of by a dictator. As long as he doesn't piss off too many people or too influential people, he's golden (and even then). Also dictators are more predictable then a nation to deal with. Dictatorship are great if your nation is compromised of lazy, mostly irresponsible people.
jacoblyles 13y ago
The American people would never stand for a dictator in name. But they would stand for powerful permanent bureaucrats that no elected official had the ability to push around. 6 of one, half-dozen of the other.

reinhardt 13y ago

The problem is (most) people seem to be ok with the have-nothing-to-hide argument. Unless the public opinion on this is inverted, there's not much hope for change I'm afraid.

Ygg2 13y ago

>You sound low here, but if the above were true then it'd mean that people are willing to live under a dictator too. That's simply untrue. It's true now. But it might be true in future. Hate to sound pessimistic but there are benefits (however perverse they are) to dictatorship. You aren't pestered every year to vote (unless it's a democratic dictator that rigs the elections). You aren't asked about lot of things. You don't have to worry about saving the environment or your impact, just what he does. Things most people dislike like gays or immigrants is taken care of by a dictator. As long as he doesn't piss off too many people or too influential people, he's golden (and even then). Also dictators are more predictable then a nation to deal with. Dictatorship are great if your nation is compromised of lazy, mostly irresponsible people.

jacoblyles 13y ago

The American people would never stand for a dictator in name. But they would stand for powerful permanent bureaucrats that no elected official had the ability to push around. 6 of one, half-dozen of the other.