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The one thing about conspiracies I always consider is the number of complicit persons involved. Take, for instance, "9/11 was an inside job". People were real

The one thing about conspiracies I always consider is the number of complicit persons involved. Take, for instance, "9/11 was an inside job". People were really taken off planes somewhere, then the planes where remote controlled, a missile hit the pentagon not a plane, demolition charges were set in the buildings, etc... The man power needed to pull that off greatly exceeds the number of people willing to kill their own countrymen for money, political zeal, or fear.

mtowle 13y ago
Lol. It's not like you're going to tell the cogs what the machine is up to. >The one thing about conspiracies I always consider is the number of complicit persons involved. Yeah, this is like the ground level of thought on these topics. Let's not turn our backs red.
- moens 13y ago
  No slight intended to Mormons in general, I have a number of Mormon friends... but: I live in "Mormon-ville," and there is this weird thing about Mormons: they have a lot of bankruptcies. It seems to me like a lot. I am just the onlooker and have no evidence, but it appears to me that 1) get loan from national bank branch staffed by Momons, 2) default, 3) go before Mormon judge, 4) get lenient bankruptcy terms, 5) get another loan again soon from, you know, a Mormon lending officer... sooner than I could get it anyway. My personal observation is that there are a lot of people in on the conspiracy or whatever you want to call it, and that as long as it stays within maybe "statistical anomaly" levels, it is a good income generator for the people of Utah.
  - mtowle 13y ago
    It took me a while to understand your point, I think because I assumed you were challenging my comments. Once I understood, though, I found this to be a very well-positioned anecdote. And having belonged to a Mormon Boy Scout troop, I don't doubt the truth of it for a second. Identity is a powerful construct. Plus, the bigger your 10%, the better, right? Call it reclamation.
Beekon 13y ago
You're trying to answer the wrong questions instead of asking the right ones. The absence of answers to good questions says a lot more than half-assed answers to the wrong questions. I don't profess to know what happened on 9/11. But if you ask the right questions, what we've been fed as the official theory comes out as an almost laughable story. You might ask yourself why we as a society started a witch-hunt for those that try to find the truth behind it all. We blindly "supported" two or three wars and all the measures that were taken under the guise of security. We were OK with people being kidnapped, tortured, and held prisoner for a decade without any evidence. And nobody even knows why. If you really put your teeth in these so called conspiracy theories, then one day you'll realize that the term becomes null and void, because it assumes that someone, or a group of people, actually knows what is up. Nobody does, we're just conditioned into taking anything our TV says at face value, so we assume "they" know. And why? For exactly the same reason you've mentioned, because we cannot accept that fact that something bad can go unnoticed and grow to something that big. So we get 2 nuanced stories from 4 TV-channels. Just enough to create the illusion that they're covering all the bases, while at the same time making us believe that we're forming our own and informed opinion by analysing all versions of the story. But at this stage it is no longer a matter of people conspiring. The system has reached a state where it is normalcy. So, in places where it matters, only people that are already in the same mindset bubble up. Not because they are malicious or because someone has talked them into it, but because they're just a prime specimen of the environment they grew up in. It's a side-effect of a society that holds power and profit as its most important goal. The reason a lot of people can not understand this is because they did not grow up in that same environment. So there is a disconnect between what we as a person believe we are capable of and what we're actually doing.
- DanBC 13y ago
  > But if you ask the right questions, what we've been fed as the official theory comes out as an almost laughable story. Wait, what? Are you talking about the actual 9/11 attacks? Or about events after it; about going to war with unrelated countries?
  - Beekon 13y ago

mtowle 13y ago

Lol. It's not like you're going to tell the cogs what the machine is up to. >The one thing about conspiracies I always consider is the number of complicit persons involved. Yeah, this is like the ground level of thought on these topics. Let's not turn our backs red.

moens 13y ago
No slight intended to Mormons in general, I have a number of Mormon friends... but: I live in "Mormon-ville," and there is this weird thing about Mormons: they have a lot of bankruptcies. It seems to me like a lot. I am just the onlooker and have no evidence, but it appears to me that 1) get loan from national bank branch staffed by Momons, 2) default, 3) go before Mormon judge, 4) get lenient bankruptcy terms, 5) get another loan again soon from, you know, a Mormon lending officer... sooner than I could get it anyway. My personal observation is that there are a lot of people in on the conspiracy or whatever you want to call it, and that as long as it stays within maybe "statistical anomaly" levels, it is a good income generator for the people of Utah.
- mtowle 13y ago
  It took me a while to understand your point, I think because I assumed you were challenging my comments. Once I understood, though, I found this to be a very well-positioned anecdote. And having belonged to a Mormon Boy Scout troop, I don't doubt the truth of it for a second. Identity is a powerful construct. Plus, the bigger your 10%, the better, right? Call it reclamation.

Beekon 13y ago

You're trying to answer the wrong questions instead of asking the right ones. The absence of answers to good questions says a lot more than half-assed answers to the wrong questions. I don't profess to know what happened on 9/11. But if you ask the right questions, what we've been fed as the official theory comes out as an almost laughable story. You might ask yourself why we as a society started a witch-hunt for those that try to find the truth behind it all. We blindly "supported" two or three wars and all the measures that were taken under the guise of security. We were OK with people being kidnapped, tortured, and held prisoner for a decade without any evidence. And nobody even knows why. If you really put your teeth in these so called conspiracy theories, then one day you'll realize that the term becomes null and void, because it assumes that someone, or a group of people, actually knows what is up. Nobody does, we're just conditioned into taking anything our TV says at face value, so we assume "they" know. And why? For exactly the same reason you've mentioned, because we cannot accept that fact that something bad can go unnoticed and grow to something that big. So we get 2 nuanced stories from 4 TV-channels. Just enough to create the illusion that they're covering all the bases, while at the same time making us believe that we're forming our own and informed opinion by analysing all versions of the story. But at this stage it is no longer a matter of people conspiring. The system has reached a state where it is normalcy. So, in places where it matters, only people that are already in the same mindset bubble up. Not because they are malicious or because someone has talked them into it, but because they're just a prime specimen of the environment they grew up in. It's a side-effect of a society that holds power and profit as its most important goal. The reason a lot of people can not understand this is because they did not grow up in that same environment. So there is a disconnect between what we as a person believe we are capable of and what we're actually doing.

DanBC 13y ago
> But if you ask the right questions, what we've been fed as the official theory comes out as an almost laughable story. Wait, what? Are you talking about the actual 9/11 attacks? Or about events after it; about going to war with unrelated countries?
- Beekon 13y ago