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Your parent post may be referring to what happened to the CEO of Qwest after declining to support the surveillance state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_

by crgt 13y ago

Your parent post may be referring to what happened to the CEO of Qwest after declining to support the surveillance state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio

mpyne 13y ago
So your theory is that the NSA somehow drugged 12 jurors and a judge into seeing evidence of insider trading that wasn't actually there?
- JoachimSchipper 13y ago
  That line of argument would go more like "selective enforcement".
- davorak 13y ago
  I do not see that argument being made. Maybe he is guilty, but it was only brought to light because he did not do what the NSA wanted.
  - mpyne 13y ago
    Then I don't feel sorry for him. Two wrongs don't make a right, if you don't want to go to jail for insider trading then don't put yourself, your company, and your customers in a position to be compromised by blackmail. That right there is beyond despicable.
    - davorak 13y ago
      > Then I don't feel sorry for him. I guess I never thought of it being about feeling sorry for him. It was about the NSA using black mail to get CEOs to do what they want. Allowing CEOs to get away with crimes such as insider trading as long as they did what the NSA wanted. If I try to imagine the consequences of this it includes promoting corruption at the CEO level down in the industries that the NSA deals with. The long term effects of this are certainly negative and hard to quantify. Now are the negative consequences out weighed by the benefit that the NSA receives and passes on to the USA then to the world? I do not know, I am not familiar enough with that arena, it is far from an obvious win from where I am sitting however.
- bitwize 13y ago
  It wasn't necessary. We all commit three felonies a day; it was just a matter of finding something they could pin on Nacchio.
  - mpyne 13y ago
    Insider trading is not "three felonies a day", even if we take your assumption as truth.

by crgt 13y ago

mpyne 13y ago

So your theory is that the NSA somehow drugged 12 jurors and a judge into seeing evidence of insider trading that wasn't actually there?

JoachimSchipper 13y ago
That line of argument would go more like "selective enforcement".
davorak 13y ago
I do not see that argument being made. Maybe he is guilty, but it was only brought to light because he did not do what the NSA wanted.
- mpyne 13y ago
  Then I don't feel sorry for him. Two wrongs don't make a right, if you don't want to go to jail for insider trading then don't put yourself, your company, and your customers in a position to be compromised by blackmail. That right there is beyond despicable.
  - davorak 13y ago
    > Then I don't feel sorry for him. I guess I never thought of it being about feeling sorry for him. It was about the NSA using black mail to get CEOs to do what they want. Allowing CEOs to get away with crimes such as insider trading as long as they did what the NSA wanted. If I try to imagine the consequences of this it includes promoting corruption at the CEO level down in the industries that the NSA deals with. The long term effects of this are certainly negative and hard to quantify. Now are the negative consequences out weighed by the benefit that the NSA receives and passes on to the USA then to the world? I do not know, I am not familiar enough with that arena, it is far from an obvious win from where I am sitting however.
bitwize 13y ago
It wasn't necessary. We all commit three felonies a day; it was just a matter of finding something they could pin on Nacchio.
- mpyne 13y ago
  Insider trading is not "three felonies a day", even if we take your assumption as truth.