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..it already is. E.g. german companies with a data protection comissioners/officers usually don't store data outside EU coutries, since the data protection lev

..it already is. E.g. german companies with a data protection comissioners/officers usually don't store data outside EU coutries, since the data protection level is considered to be to low. §4b Abs.2 S.2 Bundesdatenschutzgesetz prohibits conveyance of personal data outside EU borders if the interest of persons concerned outweighs it (mostly it does). This PRISM-surveillance substantiates those concerns.

nostromo 13y ago
My startup has faced this issue -- but it's easily solved using American cloud providers (for example: AWS Ireland). But, frankly, I don't know how Amazon would respond if they received a national security letter asking for data hosted by Amazon in Ireland. It'd be nice to see a country take a very strong stand on data privacy. They could be to hosting servers what Switzerland is to hosting money.
- killerpopiller 13y ago
  There are MLA, mutual legal assistance, which needs certain proof, and aim usually for foreign companies with data of interest to the US. Servers from companies with a US-based headquarter belong to our new overlord, the US gov. and can be owned with a FISA-warrant (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act – FISA 1978/2008) garnished with a National Security Letter (NSL). We know that procedures from Microsoft U.K. head: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/microsoft-admits-patriot-act-can-access-eu-based-cloud-data/11225 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/microsoft-admits-patri...
- DuskStar 13y ago
  If Amazon does their accounting the same way as Google/Facebook, then Amazon Ireland is likely their international HQ, and technically a different company than Amazon US. (For tax reasons; Ireland has a much lower corporate tax rate than the US) And so I would really expect them to follow Irish, not US, law.
- 7952 13y ago
  For a European what actually is the advantage in using US AWS instead of Ireland? If you are serving the EU why would you add the additional latency?

nostromo 13y ago

My startup has faced this issue -- but it's easily solved using American cloud providers (for example: AWS Ireland). But, frankly, I don't know how Amazon would respond if they received a national security letter asking for data hosted by Amazon in Ireland. It'd be nice to see a country take a very strong stand on data privacy. They could be to hosting servers what Switzerland is to hosting money.

killerpopiller 13y ago
There are MLA, mutual legal assistance, which needs certain proof, and aim usually for foreign companies with data of interest to the US. Servers from companies with a US-based headquarter belong to our new overlord, the US gov. and can be owned with a FISA-warrant (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act – FISA 1978/2008) garnished with a National Security Letter (NSL). We know that procedures from Microsoft U.K. head: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/microsoft-admits-patriot-act-can-access-eu-based-cloud-data/11225 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/microsoft-admits-patri...
DuskStar 13y ago
If Amazon does their accounting the same way as Google/Facebook, then Amazon Ireland is likely their international HQ, and technically a different company than Amazon US. (For tax reasons; Ireland has a much lower corporate tax rate than the US) And so I would really expect them to follow Irish, not US, law.
7952 13y ago
For a European what actually is the advantage in using US AWS instead of Ireland? If you are serving the EU why would you add the additional latency?