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iOS 7 is the first time that I have seen such arrogant designer elitism ever. If someone does not like the new style, they are of course objectively wrong becau

iOS 7 is the first time that I have seen such arrogant designer elitism ever. If someone does not like the new style, they are of course objectively wrong because every good human knows that Helvetica is without fault, and so are low-contrast flat colours. If you disagree, you should feel bad and obsolete. Oh and be sure to mention stitched leather even though iOS6 didn't ever have that on the phone. Note that many of the quoted people are not even angry. They are just saying they don't like it, sometimes giving reason. Let's shame this scum! LOL it's just Forstall posting under fake names anyway!

untog 13y ago
Who exactly is saying that? I haven't seen anyone say that the iOS7 design is objectively brilliant, just that it's here and everyone has to adjust to it- complaining about it is going to achieve next to nothing because Apple is rarely interested in community feedback. In all honesty, most of the comments I have seen simply reflect the fact that (warning: generalisation approaching) iOS designers have been on a high horse about how iOS's design is superior to all other platforms, and are now being forced to re-evaluate that stance after Apple has rejected that design.
- gurkendoktor 13y ago
  I double-checked if I misunderstood the blog, but this interstitial & the "about" box makes it sound as if everyone who dislikes iOS 7 couldn't do it better anyway and should be publicly shamed for thinking they could: > C’mon, all you talented mofo’s… We all know you can do better than ol’ Jony boy. Send in your screenshots of the best iOS, OSX, WWDC and general Apple bashing tweets by using the submit link over there ——> > I CAN DO IT BETTER THAN YOU!! (even though I've never done that specific thing, ever)
- Cooler-gent 13y ago
  @Gruber: If you don’t think iOS 7 is beautiful, I don’t know what to say to you. https://twitter.com/gruber/status/344179342764568577 https://twitter.com/gruber/status/344179342764568577
  - ChikkaChiChi 13y ago
    ...says a guy entirely reliant on his influence in the Apple marketspace up to and including his newly released software application only available on the Apple App Store?
- gurkendoktor 13y ago
  Oh, that didn't take long - plenty of illustrative responses here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861585 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861585
joeblossom 13y ago
Stitched leather did make it onto iOS 6, by way of Find My Friends. I'm not overly for flat design or overly against skeuomorphism, but Find My Friends was horrendous.
- gurkendoktor 13y ago
  Yes, but it has never been part of iOS 6, and still looks the same on iOS 7. It's not even a major app - the current version has half the reviews of Pages, which costs $10, and roughly a tenth of the reviews of the Podcasts app, which mostly duplicates functionality found in the iOS 6 Music app. I'm not sure if there is any metric by which FMF is a major app.
  - joeblossom 13y ago
    It looks the same on iOS 7 because Apple hasn't updated any of their non-preloaded apps yet. (iTunes Connect, Apple Store, iTunes U, Podcasts, iBooks are all other examples which have not been updated) Given that FMF made it into the keynote both when it was introduced, and yesterday, I'd say it's important to them. (Not just text on a slide) Edit: Whoops, I was thinking about Find My iPhone from the keynote yesterday, my bad. It was introduced in a keynote before.
ChikkaChiChi 13y ago
"the first time that I have seen such arrogant designer elitism ever" You must be new to the Internet. Allow me to show you some pictures of cats and a video of Charlie biting a finger. I saw the term Neotribalism on HN this morning. This perfectly defines much of the designer elitism that runs rampant throughout the design community.
- gurkendoktor 13y ago
  > You must be new to the Internet. Hmmm, 15 years, but I have never heard of Neotribalism - so thanks :) The one thing that I've never seen before is the clear definition of the protagonist and antagonist in the epic battle of skeuomorphism vs flat design: Leather Weirdo Forstall vs Good Taste Ive (e.g. [1]). IMHO that made it much easier to divide people into camps (tribes?). And as if that wasn't enough, Apple used the keynote to feed the fire and polarise. [1] http://www.fastcodesign.com/1672780/why-jony-ive-is-flattening-ios-7 http://www.fastcodesign.com/1672780/why-jony-ive-is-flatteni...
cpeterso 13y ago
If Helvetica was so great, why did Linotype (subsidiary D. Stempel AG) create Neue Helvetica, a "reworking of the typeface with a more structurally unified set of heights and widths"? :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetica_Neue#Neue_Helvetica_.281983.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetica_Neue#Neue_Helvetica_...
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- Samuel_Michon 13y ago
  Which is the font Apple has been using since iOS 4. iOS 7 uses HelveticaNeue Ultralight. Personally, I prefer Akzidenz-Grotesk.

untog 13y ago

Who exactly is saying that? I haven't seen anyone say that the iOS7 design is objectively brilliant, just that it's here and everyone has to adjust to it- complaining about it is going to achieve next to nothing because Apple is rarely interested in community feedback. In all honesty, most of the comments I have seen simply reflect the fact that (warning: generalisation approaching) iOS designers have been on a high horse about how iOS's design is superior to all other platforms, and are now being forced to re-evaluate that stance after Apple has rejected that design.

gurkendoktor 13y ago
I double-checked if I misunderstood the blog, but this interstitial & the "about" box makes it sound as if everyone who dislikes iOS 7 couldn't do it better anyway and should be publicly shamed for thinking they could: > C’mon, all you talented mofo’s… We all know you can do better than ol’ Jony boy. Send in your screenshots of the best iOS, OSX, WWDC and general Apple bashing tweets by using the submit link over there ——> > I CAN DO IT BETTER THAN YOU!! (even though I've never done that specific thing, ever)
Cooler-gent 13y ago
@Gruber: If you don’t think iOS 7 is beautiful, I don’t know what to say to you. https://twitter.com/gruber/status/344179342764568577 https://twitter.com/gruber/status/344179342764568577
- ChikkaChiChi 13y ago
  ...says a guy entirely reliant on his influence in the Apple marketspace up to and including his newly released software application only available on the Apple App Store?
gurkendoktor 13y ago
Oh, that didn't take long - plenty of illustrative responses here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861585 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5861585

joeblossom 13y ago

Stitched leather did make it onto iOS 6, by way of Find My Friends. I'm not overly for flat design or overly against skeuomorphism, but Find My Friends was horrendous.

gurkendoktor 13y ago
Yes, but it has never been part of iOS 6, and still looks the same on iOS 7. It's not even a major app - the current version has half the reviews of Pages, which costs $10, and roughly a tenth of the reviews of the Podcasts app, which mostly duplicates functionality found in the iOS 6 Music app. I'm not sure if there is any metric by which FMF is a major app.
- joeblossom 13y ago
  It looks the same on iOS 7 because Apple hasn't updated any of their non-preloaded apps yet. (iTunes Connect, Apple Store, iTunes U, Podcasts, iBooks are all other examples which have not been updated) Given that FMF made it into the keynote both when it was introduced, and yesterday, I'd say it's important to them. (Not just text on a slide) Edit: Whoops, I was thinking about Find My iPhone from the keynote yesterday, my bad. It was introduced in a keynote before.

ChikkaChiChi 13y ago

"the first time that I have seen such arrogant designer elitism ever" You must be new to the Internet. Allow me to show you some pictures of cats and a video of Charlie biting a finger. I saw the term Neotribalism on HN this morning. This perfectly defines much of the designer elitism that runs rampant throughout the design community.

gurkendoktor 13y ago
> You must be new to the Internet. Hmmm, 15 years, but I have never heard of Neotribalism - so thanks :) The one thing that I've never seen before is the clear definition of the protagonist and antagonist in the epic battle of skeuomorphism vs flat design: Leather Weirdo Forstall vs Good Taste Ive (e.g. [1]). IMHO that made it much easier to divide people into camps (tribes?). And as if that wasn't enough, Apple used the keynote to feed the fire and polarise. [1] http://www.fastcodesign.com/1672780/why-jony-ive-is-flattening-ios-7 http://www.fastcodesign.com/1672780/why-jony-ive-is-flatteni...

cpeterso 13y ago

If Helvetica was so great, why did Linotype (subsidiary D. Stempel AG) create Neue Helvetica, a "reworking of the typeface with a more structurally unified set of heights and widths"? :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetica_Neue#Neue_Helvetica_.281983.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetica_Neue#Neue_Helvetica_...

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Samuel_Michon 13y ago
Which is the font Apple has been using since iOS 4. iOS 7 uses HelveticaNeue Ultralight. Personally, I prefer Akzidenz-Grotesk.