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"Chattel slavery"...I'm sorry, but what are you on about? This comparison doesn't reflect the current state of affairs in the United States. Yeah, the NSA did
by dylangs1030 13y ago
"Chattel slavery"...I'm sorry, but what are you on about?
This comparison doesn't reflect the current state of affairs in the United States.
Yeah, the NSA did some shitty things that circumnavigated loopholes in the Constitution.
But you still don't realize how good you have it. Being in a Western country like the United States is spectacularly better than living conditions on many other entire continents, and sometimes many countries on others.
I agree we should fight the NSA on this. No doubt about this. But you're not convincing everyone of your point by comparing journalists and citizens to "chattel slaves"...come on now.
Journalists are still afford a lot of protections, and incidents like this leak in the United States are still outliers.
The very fact that this leak is an outrage, that we are not desensitized to this news, demonstrates the state of our society. We are afraid of it devolving, but it is presently many tiers above your implied quality of life.
There is no slavery.
There is virtually no indentured slavery, named or in practice.
We still have a variety of liberties the KGB never expected themselves to have, let alone fought for.
We are not anything like chattel slavery. It weakens your argument to try to argue otherwise.
- zero_intp 13y agoUS Commercial Prisons
- angusangus 13y agoIndeed. See eg. http://www.forbes.com/2008/08/18/prison-small-business-ent-manage-cx_mf_0818prisonlabor.html http://www.forbes.com/2008/08/18/prison-small-business-ent-m... and http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/prison-labor_n_2272036.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/prison-labor_n_2272... Money quote: "Oddo also said that workers were provided enough water, but the prisoners didn't sip it slowly enough." Also for a sense of scope http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2008/07/what-do-prisoners-make-victorias-secret http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2008/07/what-do-prisoner... including this irrelevant but salacious detail: 'In 1997, a California prison put two men in solitary for telling journalists they were ordered to replace "Made in Honduras" labels on garments with "Made in the USA."'
- npongratz 13y agodylangs1030 said: "We are not anything like chattel slavery. It weakens your argument to try to argue otherwise." Where is your disagreement? I'll reiterate: > We definitely do not live in a system of chattel slavery...
- JamisonM 13y agoI think you are being a bit disingenuous in this response, finish the quote: > We definitely do not live in a system of chattel slavery, but that's only because chattel slavery is so much less efficient.. This statement makes it sound like you start from the position that we would live in a system of chattel slavery if not for its lack of efficiency then you are comparing what you deem the "current form of slavery" to chattel slavery. You are, to my reading of your whole comment, specifically saying that the slavery you allege we currently labor under is as bad or worse than chattel slavery.
- rosser 13y agoCircumvented loopholes in the Constitution? Only insofar as breaking and entering is "circumventing" a "loophole" in the lock on my door. There is no slavery. There is virtually no indentured slavery, named or in practice. I take it you're completely unfamiliar with human trafficking and the sex trade.
- jlgreco 13y ago> I take it you're completely unfamiliar with human trafficking and the sex trade. Or the prison system, which the 13th specifically makes an exception for..