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Rights have "due process" attached to them, as you noted. This is exactly what creates violent religion called "state". My suggestion is to use "contracts" as
by oleganza 13y ago
Rights have "due process" attached to them, as you noted. This is exactly what creates violent religion called "state".
My suggestion is to use "contracts" as a basis for all social agreements. People voluntarily agree to certain behaviour between each other and "lock up" themselves in voluntary obligations. Breaking these obligations is punished by economic ostracism by others, who'd like to keep their obligations and benefits. If you steal, we will not sell you bread until you pay your debts. That simple. If some bunch of people agreed to not pollute the river and you come and pollute, they would not deal with you. If you disagree, no one kidnaps you, please feel free to negotiate and boycott back. Just like on your interview: if you don't like job conditions, you withdraw your service. But also employer withdraws his payment if he doesn't like your conditions. So you either come to some common grounds (without any need for "rights" or "morality"), or you go different ways.
On a large scale it can work beautifully with internet and crypto proofs of agreements. You can have millions of people easily lock up in common agreements on intellectual property, pollution, insurance against disasters etc. Anyone willing to go against existing relations will face ostracism from millions of people absolutely automatically (via dispute resolution organizations that will act as delegates/proxies).
The trick is only to grow such "contract / dispute resolution" network to a large enough scale when bullying is big economic risk. Today, people trust state to make decisions who's bad, who's good and state makes a good job to hide these people in jail and courts, so you don't even have a chance to negotiate openly. Almost no one has millions of chances to find supporters. In voluntary society you can always go to a competing agency and try to convince them that you are right and others are wrong. If they can successfully prove that to customers, they'll win the market. So what is acceptable and what is not will be decided locally by the market, never set in stone, always renegotiable to the maximum satisfaction of everyone.
- etherael 13y agoAre you a voluntaryist / ancap with hopes for the implications of the underpinnings of the system via cryptographic protocols by any chance? Your ideas sound very familiar.
- oleganza 13y agoI am voluntarist who doesn't believe in convincing people, but believes in economics. If there are tools that benefit most of the people and keep risks low, people will use them. Crypto is one of such things. Politics and revolutions are not.
- einhverfr 13y agoDue process is a cultural thing too. I wouldn't say that aboriginal peoples whose due process is a shaman pointing a bone at someone and uttering curses necessarily is violating anyone's human rights.
- oleganza 13y agoTypically, people were beating shit out of someone who was not behaving "correctly".
- einhverfr 13y agoBut is your view that small tribal societies without a professional judiciary are necessarily violating human rights for lack of a professional judiciary or even clear code of laws?
- oleganza 13y agoI don't hold people responsible for their actions until they've been exposed to an argument against them. E.g. ancient doctor is not responsible for not using antibiotics. But if he does not use them when he knows about them (and they are accessible), then he is responsible.
- einhverfr 13y agoDoesn't that mean though that it is our moral imperative to modernize all traditional peoples in the world? Under that argument, shouldn't indigenous peoples be discriminated against to encourage them to modernize?
- oleganza 13y agoI don't believe in moral imperatives. I simply try to teach people things I understand when they are willing to listen. I'm not obliged to do that. They are not obliged to listen. But if it happens that I tell you arguments why government is evil, I will hold you responsible if you simply disagree without a convincing counter-argument. So we could have been friends before, but after could be not anymore.