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There was lots of government surveillance and invasion of privacy of (say) gay men back in the "good old days". Maybe it's just because the white anglo christia
by rmc 13y ago
There was lots of government surveillance and invasion of privacy of (say) gay men back in the "good old days". Maybe it's just because the white anglo christians are affected by government surveillance and intrusion that's new?
My point isn't "this old thing was bad", my point was "this thing has been happening to lots of people before, now it's happening to everyone".
- coldtea 13y ago>There was lots of government surveillance and invasion of privacy of (say) gay men back in the "good old days". Maybe it's just because the white anglo christians are affected by government surveillance and intrusion that's new? My point isn't "this old thing was bad", my point was "this thing has been happening to lots of people before, now it's happening to everyone".* For one, if it happened to "lots" (in reality: far fewer) and now is happening to "everyone", this extension of reach automatically makes it far worse. Second, even considering a single target person, the breadth of this, the automation, the easiness, and the retrieval and cross-search capabilities, make it several orders of magnitude worse than what was happening to people before. Compared to the breadth, scope and capabilities of modern surveillance, J.E. Hoover was a total amateur. Also "government surveillance" of "gay men"? When? For who? A few prominent figures people wanted to blackmail?
- rmc 13y agoAlso "government surveillance" of "gay men"? When? For who? A few prominent figures people wanted to blackmail? Police, based on where they socialized. The modern gay rights movement started in the USA with the Stonewall riots, when LGBT people fought back & rioted after yet another police raid of where gay & trans people congreated.
- coldtea 13y agoThat's not surveillance though.