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Booz Allen Hamilton, looking for a Systems Administrator in Hawaii

139 points by ukd1 13y ago

jjguy 13y ago
Cute, but unlikely to be Snowden's job. * The KRSOC is about 35 minutes outside Honolulu, far enough to not be "Honolulu" http://goo.gl/maps/R2vYe http://goo.gl/maps/R2vYe * The position clearance requirements are just SECRET, NSA roles require TS/SCI + full scope poly * There are lots of BAH jobs in Honolulu at PACAF and PACOM, amongst others. * Positions of Snowden's type don't require 50% travel, those are more consistent with the PACOM and PACAF roles where you're supporting units throughout the Pacific. All that said, these kinds of positions are a great way to go live in Hawaii for a few years. If you're young, single and want to live the island life for a while, it's a easy path.
- cstavish 13y ago
  I feel like having a position with security clearances and all of that good stuff may preclude a young and single person from doing many things he or she might like to do.
  - beachstartup 13y ago
    as per usual, golden handcuffs.
  - olympus 13y ago
    Nope. Every military officer in the US has Secret clearance, so it's not as big of a deal as you might think. You go through an investigation which requires you to list things up to seven years in your past, but isn't a big deal if you are a decent human being without a criminal history. After the investigation you work and live pretty much like anyone else except there are things you can't tell your friends. If you want to go out of the country you basically just let them know where you are going ahead of time and it's no big deal. The only thing you might not be allowed to do is travel to Iran or Cuba. Oh, and if you are like my friend and get three DUIs you lose your job and clearance. Just don't screw it up that bad and you have nothing to worry about.
    - oinksoft 13y ago
      I understand that you can't seek psychiatric help, or else you lose your clearance. And other fun stuff like that. In any case I know quite a few "decent human beings" who would not be able to get a security clearance.
      - olympus 13y ago
        No, if you self admit you can still keep your clearance. At least at the Secret level. If you are admitted to a mental institution after a breakdown it might be a different story, but I don't know anyone like that. But getting counseling and being on antidepressants isn't an automatic disqualifier. And when I said decent human being, I left out the part mentioning that it helps if you have parents who are American citizens and aren't in a whole bunch of debt and don't have a bunch of foreign contacts. But I think you'd be surprised at how easy it is to get a clearance if your job requires it.
      - cowsandmilk 13y ago
        False, there are people with TS clearance who regularly see psychiatrists. This is one of the misconceptions that is left from the policies of 30 years ago. Other examples include homosexuality and past drug use, both of which formerly precluded you from a clearance but no longer do.
        einhverfr 13y ago
        And think about it. These things precluded clearance because they were seen as things you didn't want made known. The idea is that if you were engaging in homosexual activity this could be something that a foreign power could blackmail you with to get you to turn over secrets.
  - misiti3780 13y ago
    i have never heard of something not getting a secret clearance, as long as they were honest about the skeletons in their closet (drug use in the past, etc). i have heard a DUI or arrest makes it very hard-to-impossible to get one. TS+ is a whole different story, but who the hell would want one of those anyways
  - tsotha 13y ago
    Most of the stuff you're probably thinking about is fine as long as you own up to it up front. It's when they catch you in a lie that you're going to have a lot of trouble. If you tell them you never smoked pot and they find a picture of you inhaling on Facebook you're in big trouble. Even then you might get a clearance, though you get the treatment first. The hassles go up as your clearance does. Depending on what you're doing you may be precluded from travelling to anyplace on this year's list of villainous countries. I found the biggest problem with DoD work came when I left it and started interviewing for jobs in the commercial sector. I couldn't tell them what I'd been doing for the last eight years. I could say something like "I worked on a large project written in C", but anything more than that was verboten.
- fixxer 13y ago
  Here is another candidate (posted earlier): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5856795 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5856795
- austenallred 13y ago
  This seems like an "evergreen" position - one they always have live and collect the resumes from, calling candidates whenever they actually have a need.
piratebroadcast 13y ago
The media, of often as it can, likes to make criminals out of information activists. Maybe they desrve it, maybe they don't; Not even arguing that. The thing is, this guy isn't a clear cut "criminal" like Assange or the Pirate Bay guys, this dude notified his fellow citizens that our government was/is doing some highly illegal and immoral shit. Interested to see how this plays out.
- untog 13y ago
  Who in the media is trying to make a criminal out of him?
- jafaku 13y ago
  Assange is a criminal? Just wait and see how Snowden starts raping people and breaking ancient chinese sex customs.
- olympus 13y ago
  Except there is a difference between the law and morality. In this case, Snowden clearly broke the law, and is a criminal regardless of his moral motivations. This PRISM program, while obviously an overreach of the government, has yet to be determined as illegal by the courts.
  - auctiontheory 13y ago
    If you're going to be a stickler for detail, it's not "clear" he broke the law just because you say so - not until he is convicted in court.
    - olympus 13y ago
      I'm not being too much of a stickler. He did admit to it on video. Yes, he could have been forced to say that, but it looks an awful lot like he willingly broke the law. If he had come out on video claiming that he didn't do it that's a whole different situation.
  - grey-area 13y ago
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Steko 13y ago
Guess Who's Looking to Fill an Information Security Engineer Vacancy in Sunny Honolulu? http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/06/10/edward_snowden_s_job_could_be_yours.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/06/10/edward_snowde...
w1ntermute 13y ago
Anybody going to apply for shiggles?
- GalacticDomin8r 13y ago
  > Anybody going to apply for shiggles? Just sent in an app for you. No need to thank.
  - w1ntermute 13y ago
    You read my mind!
misiti3780 13y ago
def. not snowden - only a secret clearance required. im sure he was TS/SCI
einhverfr 13y ago
I wonder if there is now an added requirement that "must have political views in favor of widespread surveillance of American citizens."
noname123 13y ago
Sources say Snowden's job pays 200K in Hawaii. I think if I was in the same position, I might have stayed the gov't shill. Kudos to the man for his integrity.
mehmehshoe 13y ago
I was wondering why the job was in Hawaii, thought maybe that would be a choke point for underwater cables. This map shows that isn't the case. http://www.submarinecablemap.com/ http://www.submarinecablemap.com/
- dsl 13y ago
  NSA facilities are always co-located on military bases. Hawaii is a major hub for the US Navy's communications and intelligence infrastructure. You might find this an interesting read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Computer_and_Telecommunications_Area_Master_Station_Pacific#After_World_War_II http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Computer_and_Telecommunic...

139 points by ukd1 13y ago

jjguy 13y ago

Cute, but unlikely to be Snowden's job. * The KRSOC is about 35 minutes outside Honolulu, far enough to not be "Honolulu" http://goo.gl/maps/R2vYe http://goo.gl/maps/R2vYe * The position clearance requirements are just SECRET, NSA roles require TS/SCI + full scope poly * There are lots of BAH jobs in Honolulu at PACAF and PACOM, amongst others. * Positions of Snowden's type don't require 50% travel, those are more consistent with the PACOM and PACAF roles where you're supporting units throughout the Pacific. All that said, these kinds of positions are a great way to go live in Hawaii for a few years. If you're young, single and want to live the island life for a while, it's a easy path.

cstavish 13y ago
I feel like having a position with security clearances and all of that good stuff may preclude a young and single person from doing many things he or she might like to do.
- beachstartup 13y ago
  as per usual, golden handcuffs.
- olympus 13y ago
  Nope. Every military officer in the US has Secret clearance, so it's not as big of a deal as you might think. You go through an investigation which requires you to list things up to seven years in your past, but isn't a big deal if you are a decent human being without a criminal history. After the investigation you work and live pretty much like anyone else except there are things you can't tell your friends. If you want to go out of the country you basically just let them know where you are going ahead of time and it's no big deal. The only thing you might not be allowed to do is travel to Iran or Cuba. Oh, and if you are like my friend and get three DUIs you lose your job and clearance. Just don't screw it up that bad and you have nothing to worry about.
  - oinksoft 13y ago
    I understand that you can't seek psychiatric help, or else you lose your clearance. And other fun stuff like that. In any case I know quite a few "decent human beings" who would not be able to get a security clearance.
    - olympus 13y ago
      No, if you self admit you can still keep your clearance. At least at the Secret level. If you are admitted to a mental institution after a breakdown it might be a different story, but I don't know anyone like that. But getting counseling and being on antidepressants isn't an automatic disqualifier. And when I said decent human being, I left out the part mentioning that it helps if you have parents who are American citizens and aren't in a whole bunch of debt and don't have a bunch of foreign contacts. But I think you'd be surprised at how easy it is to get a clearance if your job requires it.
    - cowsandmilk 13y ago
      False, there are people with TS clearance who regularly see psychiatrists. This is one of the misconceptions that is left from the policies of 30 years ago. Other examples include homosexuality and past drug use, both of which formerly precluded you from a clearance but no longer do.
      - einhverfr 13y ago
        And think about it. These things precluded clearance because they were seen as things you didn't want made known. The idea is that if you were engaging in homosexual activity this could be something that a foreign power could blackmail you with to get you to turn over secrets.
- misiti3780 13y ago
  i have never heard of something not getting a secret clearance, as long as they were honest about the skeletons in their closet (drug use in the past, etc). i have heard a DUI or arrest makes it very hard-to-impossible to get one. TS+ is a whole different story, but who the hell would want one of those anyways
- tsotha 13y ago
  Most of the stuff you're probably thinking about is fine as long as you own up to it up front. It's when they catch you in a lie that you're going to have a lot of trouble. If you tell them you never smoked pot and they find a picture of you inhaling on Facebook you're in big trouble. Even then you might get a clearance, though you get the treatment first. The hassles go up as your clearance does. Depending on what you're doing you may be precluded from travelling to anyplace on this year's list of villainous countries. I found the biggest problem with DoD work came when I left it and started interviewing for jobs in the commercial sector. I couldn't tell them what I'd been doing for the last eight years. I could say something like "I worked on a large project written in C", but anything more than that was verboten.
fixxer 13y ago
Here is another candidate (posted earlier): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5856795 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5856795
austenallred 13y ago
This seems like an "evergreen" position - one they always have live and collect the resumes from, calling candidates whenever they actually have a need.

piratebroadcast 13y ago

The media, of often as it can, likes to make criminals out of information activists. Maybe they desrve it, maybe they don't; Not even arguing that. The thing is, this guy isn't a clear cut "criminal" like Assange or the Pirate Bay guys, this dude notified his fellow citizens that our government was/is doing some highly illegal and immoral shit. Interested to see how this plays out.

untog 13y ago
Who in the media is trying to make a criminal out of him?
jafaku 13y ago
Assange is a criminal? Just wait and see how Snowden starts raping people and breaking ancient chinese sex customs.
olympus 13y ago
Except there is a difference between the law and morality. In this case, Snowden clearly broke the law, and is a criminal regardless of his moral motivations. This PRISM program, while obviously an overreach of the government, has yet to be determined as illegal by the courts.
- auctiontheory 13y ago
  If you're going to be a stickler for detail, it's not "clear" he broke the law just because you say so - not until he is convicted in court.
  - olympus 13y ago
    I'm not being too much of a stickler. He did admit to it on video. Yes, he could have been forced to say that, but it looks an awful lot like he willingly broke the law. If he had come out on video claiming that he didn't do it that's a whole different situation.
- grey-area 13y ago

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Steko 13y ago

Guess Who's Looking to Fill an Information Security Engineer Vacancy in Sunny Honolulu? http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/06/10/edward_snowden_s_job_could_be_yours.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/06/10/edward_snowde...

w1ntermute 13y ago

Anybody going to apply for shiggles?

GalacticDomin8r 13y ago
> Anybody going to apply for shiggles? Just sent in an app for you. No need to thank.
- w1ntermute 13y ago
  You read my mind!

misiti3780 13y ago

def. not snowden - only a secret clearance required. im sure he was TS/SCI

einhverfr 13y ago

I wonder if there is now an added requirement that "must have political views in favor of widespread surveillance of American citizens."

noname123 13y ago

Sources say Snowden's job pays 200K in Hawaii. I think if I was in the same position, I might have stayed the gov't shill. Kudos to the man for his integrity.

mehmehshoe 13y ago

I was wondering why the job was in Hawaii, thought maybe that would be a choke point for underwater cables. This map shows that isn't the case. http://www.submarinecablemap.com/ http://www.submarinecablemap.com/

dsl 13y ago
NSA facilities are always co-located on military bases. Hawaii is a major hub for the US Navy's communications and intelligence infrastructure. You might find this an interesting read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Computer_and_Telecommunications_Area_Master_Station_Pacific#After_World_War_II http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Computer_and_Telecommunic...