> a lot of the women also were men Yeah, it's weird - men are men, women are men and children are FBI agents? :p (oh dear, yet another common stereotype. some

> a lot of the women also were men Yeah, it's weird - men are men, women are men and children are FBI agents? :p (oh dear, yet another common stereotype. some people i talk to online still refuse to believe i'm female...) I'm not sure why anyone would pretend to be a member of a different sex like that, especially if they're not gay or transgender (and the latter tend to be upfront if they're pre-op, which is infinitely more courteous than lying outright). I did talk to one who had a random female pic included with the post looking for other women, and the reply back was from a guy who sent along a pic of him naked. I did not need to see that. > Maybe all CVs should be anonymized by default That would be an interesting experiment, but I bet there is more on a CV outside of the name that would be discriminated against. > I don't think referring to somebody's sexiness is all that bad... It's not. I like to talk about these things too, even more than some guys. But I don't do them in a professional setting, and that is what the whole issue over this presentation is. The porn would have been appropriate (but barely so) at an event like a BarCamp with full disclosure to attendees that you're including some risqué images. But the GoGaRuCo organizer brought up a good point in his apology about the presentation: had anyone from Google or Apple or Microsoft done the same, they would have been fired (if the presentation were allowed at all, which it wouldn't have), and the same standard of what is appropriate would apply here at this ruby conference as much as it would at, say, Google I/O or WWDC or PDC. > it is tantalizing to hear about women's bad experiences... No worries, usually the good guys deal with it. :) Unfortunately can't always say the same about things that go on on the internet.