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This is a convoluted buzzword mess. He's talking about the consumer buzzword 'cloud', as in iCloud, eCloud, store your pics in the "cloud", not the IT buzzword

by KevinMS 13y ago

This is a convoluted buzzword mess. He's talking about the consumer buzzword 'cloud', as in iCloud, eCloud, store your pics in the "cloud", not the IT buzzword "cloud computing", with things like virtualization, EC2, AWS, S3. Thanks for that, marketing assholes. But I want to know. Whats the difference now, in light of all the spying, between storing your stuff encrypted on S3, or using EC2, and colocating hardware somewhere? Are we worried about back doors into the virtual machines and S3 buckets, or are they just going to watch the traffic in and out, just like they can do anyway if you colocated, or even put all the crap in your basement?

dredmorbius 13y ago
No, he's not. I'm in the business / IT end of things, as well as the consumer side. Businesses. And non-profits (many with services/clients in ... less than democratic regions, not even counting the United States). And governments. All care about integrity, access, and, more than anything else: security. With colocated hardware, you've got control over the physical devices, there's no intermediating virtualization layer (unless you've installed it yourself), and you can control aspects such as data and disk encryption (though in truth: this is fraught even on hardware you _do_ own, and is also possible in many hosted environments). You also control the physical wiring and cabling within your cabinet, cage, and/or datacenter. Most importantly: you controls _where_ your data are. When I use a colo, my data live on specific pieces of hardware in specific locations I've specifically designated. And if it's seized, you'll likely know about it (you may not be happy, but you'll know). When you host in the cloud, access becomes ... distributed. Both have their security issues, but the envelope is much larger in the cloud.
- KevinMS 13y ago
  Yes he is. He's an apple blogger. He doesn't know virtualization from his own ass. I once interviewed with a company that was letting users store data 'in the cloud'. They were promoting the the job as something to do with 'cloud computing'. I asked if they used AWS. He replied they had a few colocated servers. I'm asking, from a spy point of view, if there's a difference between a virtualized server and a physical one, if in fact all they are doing is watching network traffic.

by KevinMS 13y ago

dredmorbius 13y ago

No, he's not. I'm in the business / IT end of things, as well as the consumer side. Businesses. And non-profits (many with services/clients in ... less than democratic regions, not even counting the United States). And governments. All care about integrity, access, and, more than anything else: security. With colocated hardware, you've got control over the physical devices, there's no intermediating virtualization layer (unless you've installed it yourself), and you can control aspects such as data and disk encryption (though in truth: this is fraught even on hardware you _do_ own, and is also possible in many hosted environments). You also control the physical wiring and cabling within your cabinet, cage, and/or datacenter. Most importantly: you controls _where_ your data are. When I use a colo, my data live on specific pieces of hardware in specific locations I've specifically designated. And if it's seized, you'll likely know about it (you may not be happy, but you'll know). When you host in the cloud, access becomes ... distributed. Both have their security issues, but the envelope is much larger in the cloud.

KevinMS 13y ago
Yes he is. He's an apple blogger. He doesn't know virtualization from his own ass. I once interviewed with a company that was letting users store data 'in the cloud'. They were promoting the the job as something to do with 'cloud computing'. I asked if they used AWS. He replied they had a few colocated servers. I'm asking, from a spy point of view, if there's a difference between a virtualized server and a physical one, if in fact all they are doing is watching network traffic.