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Or you could buy a HP Z820 with liquid cooling, dual xeon processor, a fusion io card, three workstation gpus, and 12 sata drives :)

by dman 13y ago

rsync 13y ago
Thanks for that tip. I might just do that. Perhaps reload my mac pro with snow leopard one last time, get another year or so out of it, and then "switch" to linux on an old school workstation like this. Hate to abandon all of my mac VMs, though. I don't think a non-mac vmware host can run mac VM guests... without a lot of mucking around, that is...
- ScottBurson 13y ago
  I'm fairly sure I've seen people run OS X as a vmWare guest on either Windows or Linux.
  - 65a 13y ago
    It's entirely possible on VirtualBox, but it requires you to have a similar processor to an existing Mac, and some additional wizardry. I can verify it works for some virtualization software through at least Snow Leopard...not sure about Lion and beyond (but probably).
    - annnnd 13y ago
      I love VirtualBox and I think it beats VMWare and others in UX department anytime. That said, for running Mac (Hackintosh) I would STRONGLY recommend VMWare. On VirtualBox I have tried 3 (!) different images and they were all slow, while the one I am running on VMWare works properly. And I mean properly. I never had these kind of problems with Linux and Windows guests on VirtualBox though, so I'm not sure what the problem is - but it is real.
  - snuze 13y ago
    Yup, I've run OSX as a vmWare guest on Windows. It's possible and it works.
    - rsync 13y ago
      OK, but... - how much initial wizardry is required - how often does it need to be updated, or tended to ... is it like a hackintosh where you need to muck around with it every month or so because something "breaks" ?
      - seanp2k2 13y ago
        Here is the first Google result for "OSX guest VM in windows": http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2012/08/how-to-run-mac-os-x-on-any-windows-pc-using-virtualbox/ http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2012/08/how-to-run-mac-os-x-on-... You'll also want to look up "osx86" and read up on that. TL;DR it's stable in my experience if you don't need to upgrade the OS. If you do want OS upgrades, even minor ones, it's going to be somewhat painful. While I've had VERY good results (my Kalyway OSX was more stable than a real MBP running Snow Leopard), YMMV. Based on your comments, it wouldn't be an ideal solution for you. -LazyWeb
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      - annnnd 13y ago
        Depends on how you do it. You can download an existing VMWare image (don't use VirtualBox for this - the guest will be slow, not sure why) and run it in minutes. Just be sure NOT to allow it any access to network, unless you are willing to be a part of some botnet. It's probably not legal even if you have the original CD. Or you can install from your own ISO image... havent't tried it myself. But it's still against Apple EULA which states their software can only be used on their own HW. While we are at it, how does Apple pull something like this off? Isn't there some anti-monopoly law that should prohibit using such EULAs?
  - thejosh 13y ago
    You can get VMWare Workstation to run Mountain Lion if you have Intel hardware. It's a bit harder for other hardware. It ran pretty well last time I ran it, good enough for iOS testing.
    - rsync 13y ago
      Hmmm... does that mean that you can then run the other OSX vms (SL Server, Lion) inside of the Mountain Lion vm ? Like: (((SL Server vm) vmware fusion on ML) Linux on Intel)
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  - defied 13y ago
    Unfortunately that's not allowed by Apple. OS X needs to run on Apple hardware.
- ScottBurson 13y ago
  I'm fairly sure I've seen people run OS X as a vmWare guest on either Windows or Linux.
- ScottBurson 13y ago
  I'm fairly sure I've seen people run OS X as a vmWare guest on either Windows or Linux.
- mkmkmmmmm 13y ago
  another Mac user that thinks Lion is a useless POS? Do yourself a favor a get a liberated computer next time (and the cheapest Mac desktop if you just have to develop for iOS or OS X). That's what I'm going to do when I have to upgrade.
seanp2k2 13y ago
(it's probably cheaper too, but you'll still have a huge "ugly" "old" box [sitting under your desk where it won't matter anyway]) I'm still glad Apple made this, but I feel like it might miss their target market a bit. It does fit with their strategy of "disposable devices" though; you'll be buying a new one if you want to upgrade.

Or you could buy a HP Z820 with liquid cooling, dual xeon processor, a fusion io card, three workstation gpus, and 12 sata drives :)

by dman 13y ago

Or you could buy a HP Z820 with liquid cooling, dual xeon processor, a fusion io card, three workstation gpus, and 12 sata drives :)

rsync 13y ago

Thanks for that tip. I might just do that. Perhaps reload my mac pro with snow leopard one last time, get another year or so out of it, and then "switch" to linux on an old school workstation like this. Hate to abandon all of my mac VMs, though. I don't think a non-mac vmware host can run mac VM guests... without a lot of mucking around, that is...

ScottBurson 13y ago
I'm fairly sure I've seen people run OS X as a vmWare guest on either Windows or Linux.
- 65a 13y ago
  It's entirely possible on VirtualBox, but it requires you to have a similar processor to an existing Mac, and some additional wizardry. I can verify it works for some virtualization software through at least Snow Leopard...not sure about Lion and beyond (but probably).
  - annnnd 13y ago
    I love VirtualBox and I think it beats VMWare and others in UX department anytime. That said, for running Mac (Hackintosh) I would STRONGLY recommend VMWare. On VirtualBox I have tried 3 (!) different images and they were all slow, while the one I am running on VMWare works properly. And I mean properly. I never had these kind of problems with Linux and Windows guests on VirtualBox though, so I'm not sure what the problem is - but it is real.
- snuze 13y ago
  Yup, I've run OSX as a vmWare guest on Windows. It's possible and it works.
  - rsync 13y ago
    OK, but... - how much initial wizardry is required - how often does it need to be updated, or tended to ... is it like a hackintosh where you need to muck around with it every month or so because something "breaks" ?
    - seanp2k2 13y ago
      Here is the first Google result for "OSX guest VM in windows": http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2012/08/how-to-run-mac-os-x-on-any-windows-pc-using-virtualbox/ http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2012/08/how-to-run-mac-os-x-on-... You'll also want to look up "osx86" and read up on that. TL;DR it's stable in my experience if you don't need to upgrade the OS. If you do want OS upgrades, even minor ones, it's going to be somewhat painful. While I've had VERY good results (my Kalyway OSX was more stable than a real MBP running Snow Leopard), YMMV. Based on your comments, it wouldn't be an ideal solution for you. -LazyWeb
    - deleted 13y ago
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    - annnnd 13y ago
      Depends on how you do it. You can download an existing VMWare image (don't use VirtualBox for this - the guest will be slow, not sure why) and run it in minutes. Just be sure NOT to allow it any access to network, unless you are willing to be a part of some botnet. It's probably not legal even if you have the original CD. Or you can install from your own ISO image... havent't tried it myself. But it's still against Apple EULA which states their software can only be used on their own HW. While we are at it, how does Apple pull something like this off? Isn't there some anti-monopoly law that should prohibit using such EULAs?
- thejosh 13y ago
  You can get VMWare Workstation to run Mountain Lion if you have Intel hardware. It's a bit harder for other hardware. It ran pretty well last time I ran it, good enough for iOS testing.
  - rsync 13y ago
    Hmmm... does that mean that you can then run the other OSX vms (SL Server, Lion) inside of the Mountain Lion vm ? Like: (((SL Server vm) vmware fusion on ML) Linux on Intel)
    - deleted 13y ago
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- defied 13y ago
  Unfortunately that's not allowed by Apple. OS X needs to run on Apple hardware.
ScottBurson 13y ago
I'm fairly sure I've seen people run OS X as a vmWare guest on either Windows or Linux.
ScottBurson 13y ago
I'm fairly sure I've seen people run OS X as a vmWare guest on either Windows or Linux.
mkmkmmmmm 13y ago
another Mac user that thinks Lion is a useless POS? Do yourself a favor a get a liberated computer next time (and the cheapest Mac desktop if you just have to develop for iOS or OS X). That's what I'm going to do when I have to upgrade.

seanp2k2 13y ago

(it's probably cheaper too, but you'll still have a huge "ugly" "old" box [sitting under your desk where it won't matter anyway]) I'm still glad Apple made this, but I feel like it might miss their target market a bit. It does fit with their strategy of "disposable devices" though; you'll be buying a new one if you want to upgrade.