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You wouldn't hear about it if the Rails Core and Rails Activist team members would address the issue rather than simply defend themselves and insult everyone el

by jaaron 17y ago

You wouldn't hear about it if the Rails Core and Rails Activist team members would address the issue rather than simply defend themselves and insult everyone else.

tptacek 17y ago
I also wouldn't hear about it if everyone involved would simply shut the fuck up about it. I agree everyone's being defensive. But I don't need the fucking Magna Carta from these people. I'd just like to stop having to weed these stories out of the real Ruby news.
- raganwald 17y ago
  You have a potty mouth :-) I also think you ought to think long and hard about the hostility your online persona is projecting. I'm pointing this out because it is rapidly converging on the behaviour being vilified. You're swearing at people and belittling their concerns. Do you intend it to be taken that way?
  - axod 17y ago
    It's boring. It's not news. It's nothing. Some guy put porn in a presentation. wow. Move on. I thought techies would be able to resist falling for this sort of ridiculous hysteria witch hunt thing. (Assuming your definition of porn is some women wearing clothes). Same thing about the 'Women in tech' thing. Guess what. I, like most other people I'd wager, started programming at home, on my own. I didn't have to ask permission, I didn't need acceptance from some 'community'. I just decided I wanted to do it. Please stop complaining, and just get on with it.
    - raganwald 17y ago
      > Please stop complaining, and just get on with it. Done! May I offer: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=586140 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=586140
  - tptacek 17y ago
    I'm not swearing at you, raganwald. I'm swearing near you.
    - raganwald 17y ago
      Okay, okay, humour is by far the best way to diffuse tensions and give people an opportunity to really reflect on matters without making knee-jerk reactions. Well done!
Xichekolas 17y ago
We also wouldn't hear about it if every tit and tat of this flamewar weren't posted here as if it were news. Add to that the even worse problem that everyone who has an opinion on this, even when not directly involved, has posted on their blog about it, and those have been submitted here as well. Normally I'm able to ignore these flare-ups, but this one really is getting old. tptacek: been flagging them all day, glad to know I'm not alone.
Tichy 17y ago
Why this need to build up a public resentment and attempting to cut some members of society to size? Sorry, but I really despise that in humans. To me this is little better than those reality talk shows where the audience gets to boo at the guy who cheated on his wife. Only they are all watching it because they secretly hope to learn how to cheat on their wives. Why not just let other people alone in what they do and don't do?
- marcusbooster 17y ago
  Backlash and outrage perform a number of useful functions in a society, call it cultural garbage collection. Typically when someone does something outside what the society sees as a norm, the person is outcast and made an example of. This acts as both a kind of standardization of a code of conduct for its members, and also intimidates others that might engage in similar behavior. But fear not, usually after a member has been ostracized there are other types of group members who seek to reconcile and bring that person back into the group - now that they have assimilated to the rules. Group dynamics is a very interesting thing, and anytime you have more than one person you have politics.
  - Tichy 17y ago
    "This acts as both a kind of standardization of a code of conduct for its members, and also intimidates others that might engage in similar behavior." I get that, and I think it is very interesting (to think of societies as evolutionary competing constructs). I still resent it a lot - and I don't like the mindless running of the herd. Think about the TV show about the wive cheaters. It does not make sense for the audience to boo, because they secretly want to cheat on their wives themselves. They actively hurt themselves by booing (I have no proof that they all want to cheat, but I am fairly certain of it).

by jaaron 17y ago

You wouldn't hear about it if the Rails Core and Rails Activist team members would address the issue rather than simply defend themselves and insult everyone else.

tptacek 17y ago

I also wouldn't hear about it if everyone involved would simply shut the fuck up about it. I agree everyone's being defensive. But I don't need the fucking Magna Carta from these people. I'd just like to stop having to weed these stories out of the real Ruby news.

raganwald 17y ago
You have a potty mouth :-) I also think you ought to think long and hard about the hostility your online persona is projecting. I'm pointing this out because it is rapidly converging on the behaviour being vilified. You're swearing at people and belittling their concerns. Do you intend it to be taken that way?
- axod 17y ago
  It's boring. It's not news. It's nothing. Some guy put porn in a presentation. wow. Move on. I thought techies would be able to resist falling for this sort of ridiculous hysteria witch hunt thing. (Assuming your definition of porn is some women wearing clothes). Same thing about the 'Women in tech' thing. Guess what. I, like most other people I'd wager, started programming at home, on my own. I didn't have to ask permission, I didn't need acceptance from some 'community'. I just decided I wanted to do it. Please stop complaining, and just get on with it.
  - raganwald 17y ago
    > Please stop complaining, and just get on with it. Done! May I offer: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=586140 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=586140
- tptacek 17y ago
  I'm not swearing at you, raganwald. I'm swearing near you.
  - raganwald 17y ago
    Okay, okay, humour is by far the best way to diffuse tensions and give people an opportunity to really reflect on matters without making knee-jerk reactions. Well done!

Xichekolas 17y ago

We also wouldn't hear about it if every tit and tat of this flamewar weren't posted here as if it were news. Add to that the even worse problem that everyone who has an opinion on this, even when not directly involved, has posted on their blog about it, and those have been submitted here as well. Normally I'm able to ignore these flare-ups, but this one really is getting old. tptacek: been flagging them all day, glad to know I'm not alone.

Tichy 17y ago

Why this need to build up a public resentment and attempting to cut some members of society to size? Sorry, but I really despise that in humans. To me this is little better than those reality talk shows where the audience gets to boo at the guy who cheated on his wife. Only they are all watching it because they secretly hope to learn how to cheat on their wives. Why not just let other people alone in what they do and don't do?

marcusbooster 17y ago
Backlash and outrage perform a number of useful functions in a society, call it cultural garbage collection. Typically when someone does something outside what the society sees as a norm, the person is outcast and made an example of. This acts as both a kind of standardization of a code of conduct for its members, and also intimidates others that might engage in similar behavior. But fear not, usually after a member has been ostracized there are other types of group members who seek to reconcile and bring that person back into the group - now that they have assimilated to the rules. Group dynamics is a very interesting thing, and anytime you have more than one person you have politics.
- Tichy 17y ago
  "This acts as both a kind of standardization of a code of conduct for its members, and also intimidates others that might engage in similar behavior." I get that, and I think it is very interesting (to think of societies as evolutionary competing constructs). I still resent it a lot - and I don't like the mindless running of the herd. Think about the TV show about the wive cheaters. It does not make sense for the audience to boo, because they secretly want to cheat on their wives themselves. They actively hurt themselves by booing (I have no proof that they all want to cheat, but I am fairly certain of it).