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Inside the NSA's Ultra-Secret China Hacking Group
- spoiledtechie 13y agoCan we please just post the print version. As this site asks for a signup which I am not willing to do.
- amitamb 13y agoIf using chrome try executing following from Console (Right click > Inspect element) $("#TB_overlay").remove();$("#TB_window").remove();
- Estragon 13y agoNice. How did you figure that out?
- mike-cardwell 13y agoIn Firefox, right click the element and select "Inspect Element". This will then show you the DOM, with the element higlighted. Then right click the hilighted element and click "Delete Node". Alternately, click "Web Console", and then type in the same command as from the example above.
- cpleppert 13y agoESC or cmd period is your friend :)
- brown9-2 13y agoSorry, the link I followed did not show this popup, and I'm not sure how to link to a version without it. That is quite annoying.
- bdamm 13y agoHere's the link without the annoying cover: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/06/10/inside_the_nsa_s_ultra_secret_china_hacking_group?page=0,0 http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/06/10/inside_the_...
- contingencies 13y agoContext for Foreign Policy again: it's the journal of the Council on Foreign Relations, summarized by Noam Chomsky as essentially the business input to American foreign policy. Ask yourself: which business interest does the publication of this article serve?
- mtgx 13y agoSo is it official? China is the "enemy" now? Otherwise, how are they justifying the attacks?
- youngerdryas 13y agoAre there any grown ups left on HN?
- inthewind 13y agoBest go back to email lists and/or nntp.
- stfu 13y agoThat is pretty much the agenda. Once the terrorism narrative turns fully into a joke and people don't take it serious anymore the narrative for China as the new enemy must be in place. But so long we play along. You can hear already hear the sound of "cold war reloaded" in Kissinger's talk at the World Economic Forum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZh5cfJxHz4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZh5cfJxHz4
- samstave 13y agoI am trying to recall who said it - but there were two quotes I heard in the last deacade: "We will be at war with China by 2020" and "We will be at war with China within 20 years." --- Given the info I had with respect to how China was actively hacking companies like Lockheed, pretty successfully, as early as 2005 - I have never found the above to be too far fetched. After reading the article "China invades Africa" -- an article talking about the resource land-grab that China was on in that continent, as well as understanding the US' strangle-hold on Oil in the Mid-East as well as Lithium (and Opium) in Afghanistan, and the talk that "China was on a 50-100 year long-game resource capturing plan" -- it would seem to me that the US is playing the more short term plan for Oil/Electronic resources - whereby large scale battles over the other more "mundane" resources will be expected in ~20 years. /wild-speculation-fun-thought-exercise
- brown9-2 13y ago
- aswanson 13y agoI have no problem with this. China has shown it is willing and able to attack the us and its government is an extant threat to human freedom. The u.s. isn't perfect but China is far more repressive comparably.
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- joyeuse6701 13y agorepressive in some ways, yes speak out against the gov't and you're screwed, corruption is also significant. On the flip side, China's infrastructure sucks so much that you can get away with a lot that you can't in the U.S. . First thought was illegal parking, open defecation and prostitution. I'm not putting any judgements, I'm just saying in practice it is easier in China to do the aforementioned than I find it is to do the same in the U.S.!
- tptacek 13y agoUntil you piss off the wrong local constable and he sentences you to 1 year in a "reeducation through labor" camp without the benefit of a trial except for an appeals process deliberately designed to take longer than the 1 year maximum sentence.
- contingencies 13y agoThat is a loaded comparison and has no place as the top comment here. Having lived in both countries, I can tell you you're less likely to be harassed by a self-important policeman in China than in the US. Likewise, you're less likely to be in debt, in jail, or homeless.
- aswanson 13y agoYour anecdotal tenure in both countries has no impact on the facts. If you don't believe me, set up an access point in Beijing that bypasses the great firewall and while you're at it, set up a site criticizing the one-party process and live in china for a year thereafter. While doing so, google the poverty level and homeless statistics for both countries, and how both countries define it. Pay particular attention to the options afforded a Chinese farmer vs. shelter options for a u.s. homeless person in any urban district.
- ahel 13y agoThe ending is a huge load of bollocks.
- touristtam 13y agoInteresting read, despite the un-neutral tone. "The word among NSA officials is that if you want to get promoted or recognized, get a transfer to TAO as soon as you can." This quote (page three) begs one question: If the NSA is being recognized in the american intelligence gathering community as the best place to be, and that TAO is the better place in the NSA, is this not going to attract lesser valuable middle manager with higher social skills to get promoted there, to the detriment of the efficiency of this office? I mean, as a technical person, I view middle management as a bunch of neds[1] that you have to get along with unless you have suicidal tendencies, I feel naturally concerned for NSA techies in spite of consciously knowing they have highly politicized jobs. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ned_(Scottish) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ned_(Scottish)