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Email addresses have certain advantages: - Most everyone on the 'Net has one. - Most everyone remembers their email address (but they might not remember what

Email addresses have certain advantages: - Most everyone on the 'Net has one. - Most everyone remembers their email address (but they might not remember what usernames they used for which websites). - Email addresses are unique, so when a user signs up for Persona, they don't have to go through that time-wasting "this username is taken, try this one instead" process. - Email addresses make it easy to recover forgotten passwords. So - while I see you point - I think that email addresses are the best option.

monsterix 13y ago
I mostly agree. Now this may be a bit difficult to explain, but all the logic in the points above sort of align towards the intent of achieving mass adoption. But I am afraid that mass adoption is not going to happen just like that. And it is certainly not going to depend on the fact that everyone uses email. Let's look at an ordinary user first. An ordinary user doesn't half understand the subject of privacy. He/she is rather more interested in sharing his/her best looking picture on Facebook. Or worried about landing a good job with a nice new email with all the strengths. Which is the cool app, what is the next device he can show off etc. Why would Persona matter to such a user? A type that is majority and we've counted them all in the statement 'everyone on the 'Net has one'. So this is more like opening an end of a small pipe to the atmosphere thinking that all the air will pass through it. - Most everyone on the 'Net has one. Yes. But it doesn't provide any motivation for people to go and sign-up for Persona. Hence email registration only adds to friction. - Most everyone remembers their email address (but they might not remember what usernames they used for which websites). This one is real. Since Persona is about, well, persona it is more likely to remain etched in the memory of early adopters (ignore mass adoption for a later stage) provided it is done right, kept right etc. Mozilla is an amazing and capable organization so it should experiment more given that the project itself is an ambitious experiment. - Email addresses are unique, so when a user signs up for Persona, they don't have to go through that time-wasting "this username is taken, try this one instead" process. Dumb users are dumb enough to try signing up with the same email id again. I am not very sure about Persona's positioning w.r.t same person having multiple email ids? - Email addresses make it easy to recover forgotten passwords. Agreed. However, Hacker News is a great example of why both email id and password recovery are immaterial for a product to be successful (Kudos PG!). I do agree with the simplicity of recovering forgotten password through email, but this is certainly not a show-stopper at this stage.
- workhere-io 13y ago
  I don't think Persona is pitched for the tech-savvy. On the contrary, I think Persona offers a huge advantage for normal users: You can do one-click sign-ups and log-ins for new websites (provided that you've already signed up for Persona and that you've checked the "save my session" button or whatever it's called). Another advantage is that you don't have to waste time validating your email address when you sign up for a new website. Persona has already validated your email.
fryguy 13y ago
Email addresses aren't exactly unique per-person though. I frequently forget which email I've used on a website, but rarely the username (except for ones where I don't get to choose)

monsterix 13y ago

I mostly agree. Now this may be a bit difficult to explain, but all the logic in the points above sort of align towards the intent of achieving mass adoption. But I am afraid that mass adoption is not going to happen just like that. And it is certainly not going to depend on the fact that everyone uses email. Let's look at an ordinary user first. An ordinary user doesn't half understand the subject of privacy. He/she is rather more interested in sharing his/her best looking picture on Facebook. Or worried about landing a good job with a nice new email with all the strengths. Which is the cool app, what is the next device he can show off etc. Why would Persona matter to such a user? A type that is majority and we've counted them all in the statement 'everyone on the 'Net has one'. So this is more like opening an end of a small pipe to the atmosphere thinking that all the air will pass through it. - Most everyone on the 'Net has one. Yes. But it doesn't provide any motivation for people to go and sign-up for Persona. Hence email registration only adds to friction. - Most everyone remembers their email address (but they might not remember what usernames they used for which websites). This one is real. Since Persona is about, well, persona it is more likely to remain etched in the memory of early adopters (ignore mass adoption for a later stage) provided it is done right, kept right etc. Mozilla is an amazing and capable organization so it should experiment more given that the project itself is an ambitious experiment. - Email addresses are unique, so when a user signs up for Persona, they don't have to go through that time-wasting "this username is taken, try this one instead" process. Dumb users are dumb enough to try signing up with the same email id again. I am not very sure about Persona's positioning w.r.t same person having multiple email ids? - Email addresses make it easy to recover forgotten passwords. Agreed. However, Hacker News is a great example of why both email id and password recovery are immaterial for a product to be successful (Kudos PG!). I do agree with the simplicity of recovering forgotten password through email, but this is certainly not a show-stopper at this stage.

workhere-io 13y ago
I don't think Persona is pitched for the tech-savvy. On the contrary, I think Persona offers a huge advantage for normal users: You can do one-click sign-ups and log-ins for new websites (provided that you've already signed up for Persona and that you've checked the "save my session" button or whatever it's called). Another advantage is that you don't have to waste time validating your email address when you sign up for a new website. Persona has already validated your email.

fryguy 13y ago

Email addresses aren't exactly unique per-person though. I frequently forget which email I've used on a website, but rarely the username (except for ones where I don't get to choose)