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Apple Announces Mac OS X 'Mavericks'
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- criswell 13y agoThere goes my dreams of OS X Liger.
- hayksaakian 13y agoEverything announced so far was well within rumors and speculation. What was John Gruber talking about?
- lukifer 13y agoWe all knew a UI refresh was coming, but most of the iOS7 interface concepts were unexpected. Same with trashcan Mac Pro and 12hr Air: we knew there'd be refreshes, but the details were surprising. Also, while there's not much glitz to 10.9, the list of iterative improvements is extremely promising, assuming it delivers.
- berkut 13y agoActually the details aren't that surprising, given what processor and gpu tech's available at present. I'm surprised there haven't been leaks about Maverick and the Mac Pro - I work for The Foundry, and tomorrow Pixar artists are demoing an early beta port of Mari on OS X with OpenGL4 (rather ironically, as Pixar mostly use Linux). We've known about the OpenGL 4 in OS X and the AMD graphics cards in the new Mac Pro for a while.
- meerita 13y agoAlso, how can we forget the infamous and most hyped iWatch. I was so happy they didn't make it.
- lukifer 13y agoI love my NanoWatch to pieces, and eagerly await any company that can make something better. But it's not really something I see fitting into the Apple way.
- thinkling 13y agoI would have preferred OS X Sea Lion.
- stock_toaster 13y agoCan't wait for "yosemite"
- Watabou 13y agoMe too actually, Mavericks sounds pretty lame compared to the great cat releases.
- niels_olson 13y agoAre you serious? Mavericks is awesome. One of the greatest surf breaks ever. Every bit as lethal as any of those cats and more a testament to human achievement. Personally I am looking forward to releases like Cloudbreak, Teahupoo, Waimea, and Shipsterns.
- outside2344 13y agoIt can only be places that inspire them near their offices, so expect a good stream of Californian and Chinese names. Probably mostly Chinese given that most of the sweatshops are there.
- FireBeyond 13y agoCloudbreak would have been awesome for the introduction to the new naming scheme.
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- e1ven 13y agoThe cat name is retired - They moved to California locations. This is named after: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mavericks_%28location%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mavericks_%28location%29
- neilkumar 13y agoI'm glad they are _finally_ solving the multiple desktop issue, its definitely the most frustrating aspect of OSX. Also, loved how it worked with AppleTV.
- eieio 13y agoDid I miss something and they've gone back and un-broken spaces/virtual desktops? Or are you talking about multiple monitors? Obviously multiple monitors have needed a fix for ages but spaces are my pet issue so I have to ask.
- X-Istence 13y agoYes, they have un-broken it. Each display can now have it's own virtual desktops, and each screen can have their own full screen app without showing linen on the other. Easy dragging of apps from one screen to another and more.
- jaegerpicker 13y agoThe apple tv desktop extension is something apple was way behind on. AirParrot has had that for 1.5 years. http://www.airparrot.com http://www.airparrot.com *disclaimer: I'm a former employee of AirSquirrels the maker of AirParrot. I have no real interest in making them money other than I have some friends that still work there. :)
- seclorum 13y agoStore my keychain on the iCloud, eh? Is this going to be the default behaviour now? If so, I guess I'm abandoning Apple faster than I thought I would, a day or so ago .
- jiggy2011 13y agoI'm not a Mac user, but isn't the keychain encrypted?
- haxxorfreak 13y agoYes, the keychain is encrypted with your OS X user login password and only unlocked on login. I imagine this will still be the case as Apple mentioned AES256 encryption on their iCloud Keychain slide, though they could change it to use your Apple ID password if they plan on having mobile device support.
- pooriaazimi 13y ago> Yes, the keychain is encrypted with your OS X user login password and only unlocked on login The "login" keychain is encry..... (the rest of your sentence). You can have many more keychains, and they can have far more sophisticated passphrases. I have an "Internet Identities" keychain (for iCloud, Gmail, Dropbox, VPSs, Github, ...) that has a very long passphrase and is not unlocked at the login, nor it stays open after you enter the password (so, if Safari asks for the password and I enter it, the keychain doesn't just stay "open" for all apps to feast upon).
- nodata 13y agoSo let's see... in Firefox I have FIVE apple logins saved, because they can't decide on which url to use: * appleid.apple.com * daw.apple.com * id.apple.com * secure1.store.apple.com * secure2.store.apple.com If they have trouble getting something as simple as that right, I'd like them to stay away from my keychain.
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- analog 13y agoLooks nice, I'm still waiting for decent keyboard navigation of the Finder though. Haven't found a third-party solution that works yet.
- chimeracoder 13y agoI'm kind of surprised and amused that they chose the name of an old Ubuntu release (October 2010): http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/maverick/ http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/maverick/
- czhiddy 13y agoI'm kind of surprised and amused that Ubuntu chose the name of a NBA expansion team (1980): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Mavericks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Mavericks
- gaoshan 13y agoI'm kind of surprised and amused that the NBA expansion team chose the name of a Roast Beef Sandwich restaurant in Minnesota. http://www.mavericksroastbeef.com http://www.mavericksroastbeef.com
- nlh 13y agoI'm kind of surprised and amused that the NBA expansion team chose the name of a surfing location in Northern California (1961): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mavericks_(location) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mavericks_(location) ;)
- alex_doom 13y agoIf the next releases are all California surf spots, I'm all for it.
- joyeuse6701 13y agoI'd be more excited if they used fictitious navy pilot call signs, maverick, goose, iceman, merlin... Who's with me?
- stock_toaster 13y agoTop Gun?
- cpeterso 13y agoAny guesses as to when Apple will drop the "X" from "OS X"? The name "OS Ten" is getting a little long in the tooth. I hear people pronouncing it "OS Ecks" more frequently these days. At the code level, I assume we will live with the 10.x version numbers forever, like Solaris 11 is also "SunOS 5.11".
- rm445 13y agoAre you kidding? X is an letter that, even after many decades of over-use, denotes mystery and excitement. It is surprisingly powerful for something so simple and widespread. My baseless speculation is that they will dial iOS up to version ten and merge the OSes at iOS X.
- grecy 13y agoI've always thought 10.9 would be the last, before they go to 11.0 I just don't think Apple marketing would go for "Ten point ten" or "eks point eks" or even "eks point 10"
- petercooper 13y agoNote that the "10.9" part was extremely diminished in today's announcements. While those underlying version numbers may live in, I suspect they won't be using the numbers in public in future.
- DAddYE 13y agoI really really hope, they improved the dog slow of Terminal.app
- srgpqt 13y agoIn what ways is it slow for you? Personally, the only issue I had with it was opening a new tab/window/shell being somewhat slow. Fixed with "touch ~/.hushlogin"
- stray 13y agoIt is pretty slow.
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- Watabou 13y ago1. Download iTerm. 2. Forget about Terminal.app
- zeckalpha 13y agoOr iTerm 2.
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- mmariani 13y agoIf you use oh-my-zsh try disabling some plugins as usually one or two turn out to be the culprit.
- beastie 13y agoI'd use Xquartz with like rxvt-unicode or termite. It's fast.
- dakrisht 13y agoAre Goose and Iceman the next releases? Sea Lion was 100x better And Keychain stored in iCloud, yeah, nice try there Apple. Finally - the new MacPro looks like a roll of toilet paper encased in glossy plastic. What is that thing.
- stray 13y agoAnd Keychain stored in iCloud, yeah, nice try there NSA. FTFY
- niels_olson 13y agoEither California or surfing metaphors will be next. Sea lion? Probably a little on the cute side for an OS trying to get into enterprise markets.
- protitap 13y agoThe new Mac Pro looks like the part of a vacuum cleaner that stores the dust. It's going to take a while for it to grow on me, if that ever happens.
- rz2k 13y agoIt looks like the center is a separate zone entirely, so that the heat sink could gather dust, but there is little air flow over the actual components themselves. In other words you might be able to pull a Swiffer pad through the center fins, where you'd risk damaging things if you did that over a circuit board directly.
- th0ma5 13y agoFunny thing about the iMac I have, you can't turn off the embedded monitor and just run an external monitor. It seems the new multiple monitor situation doesn't have any call outs for the iMac or anything sensible. I actually think they prevent this specifically in the sense that I should just want a Mac Mini or Apple TV and shouldn't doubt the ability to buy a way out of the problem.
- ipostonthisacc 13y agoSomewhat more technical information found 2 links deep on Apple site http://images.apple.com/osx/preview/docs/OSX_Mavericks_Core_Technology_Overview.pdf http://images.apple.com/osx/preview/docs/OSX_Mavericks_Core_...
- binarycrusader 13y agoWith at least one questionable statement: OS X was the first operating system to ship as a single install that could boot into either a 32-bit or 64-bit kernel, either of which could run 32-bit and 64-bit applications at full native performance. OS X now exclusively uses a 64-bit kernel, but it continues to run both 32-bit and 64-bit applications. I believe Solaris was actually the first to do this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_%28operating_system%29#Version_history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_%28operating_system%29#...
- cjensen 13y agoTo be clear, Apple are claiming the ability to install both 32-bit and 64-bit kernels on a single disk, and select the correct one at boot time so that boot disks are transportable between 64-bit and 32-bit machines. OS X has had this ability since 64-bit PPC days.
- binarycrusader 13y agoI'll clarify then: I believe Solaris has had the first part (ability to boot into a 32-bit or 64-bit kernel) since 1998. That's well before Apple even provided a 64-bit kernel or ever shipped an OS X release. Solaris has long had a single, unified architecture for 32-bit and 64-bit and until recently delivered both a 32-bit and 64-bit kernel on a single disk. That's why on Solaris you'll generally find the 32-bit libraries installed in 'usr/lib' and the 64-bit under 'usr/lib/64'. The only exception is for processor architectures (SPARC/x86) where it made less sense. But even then, Solaris 11 has multi-variant packages, so a single package provides support for both x86 and SPARC. It's true that (as far as I'm aware) Solaris never supported the 64-bit application on 32-bit kernel hack that OS X did (which comes with significant performance tradeoffs). So at most, Apple can claim that achievement, but they can't claim to be the first to provide a single install image supporting 32-bit and 64-bit.
- meerita 13y agoThey will kill 1Password with the new keychain in the cloud. I'm a total fan of 1Password and I dislike this a bit.
- aeontech 13y ago1Password is going to be fine, it's still invaluable for people that want cross-platform synchronization and backup.
- ceejayoz 13y agoHardly. Anyone who ever has to use a non Apple device - Windows desktop, Android phone, etc. - is going to still need a cross-platform solution like 1Password.
- joejohnson 13y agoI am so happy to hear that OS X Mavericks will fix fullscreen apps across multiple displays!
- rsync 13y agoHow was it ever possible that this was broken in the first place ? Incredible. Stupefying.
- polarix 13y agoYeah, it's been frustrating.
- phamilton 13y agoMy understanding is that the API presented control of all desktops to one application. An app could address displays individually and make full use of it. Clearly that wasn't the right approach, but it wasn't as blatantly broken as everyone makes it out to be.
- sneak 13y agoMost users don't use multiple displays. For the vast majority of users, nothing was broken. Also, the multiple-menubar thing illustrates that it's not exactly a simple or uncomplicated fix following the introduction of fullscreen app support.
- taude 13y agoI would think that Apple devs would use multiple monitors and would have coded the base functionality so that it made sense working.. Even Windows has had pretty decent multi-monitor support for about 5 years now. Anyway, I look forward to proper multi-monitor support without have to purchase an expensive 3rd party add on, or manually resizing my windows on different screens. I'm also hoping that like windows, OS-M will remember what apps are where when I plug in different screens (like home vs office).
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- asveikau 13y agoNot a lot of technical specificity around "memory compression". Edit: Ok, I stand corrected, somebody's done some research and found the code. Windows 8 does a similar-sounding trick. At some timer interrupts they de-dupe pages and make them copy-on-write when they are identical. I seem to recall also reading that some VM products (VMware?) do this - so if you have a few instances of the same OS, only unique pages end up getting stored. From the presentation I wonder if they're doing this, or if they might be putting the pages through a compression algorithm. (I hear "compression" and I think this, but it seems like that would make page faults needlessly costly.)
- solarexplorer 13y agoFrom the pdf linked in another post below: They use WKdm, a very fast compression. http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/xnu/xnu-1456.1.26/iokit/Kernel/WKdm.h http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/xnu/xnu-1456.1.26/iok... http://static.usenix.org/event/usenix01/cfp/wilson/wilson_html/node6.html http://static.usenix.org/event/usenix01/cfp/wilson/wilson_ht...
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- DiabloD3 13y agoGoogle added this to the Linux kernel quite some time ago for Android. Basically, it inserts a step before the "move to swap" step where it compresses the page. This a) allows Linux to write a compressed page to swap which allows both faster writes but also faster reads, b) allows you to use more memory before hitting swap. Major distros are considering enabling this functionality in their kernels by default. What you're describing sounds like samepage detection, which Linux also has thanks to Google and Android.
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- robomartin 13y agoI really hope iCloud can be disabled in OSX-M. As far as I am concerned iCloud is a disaster. It causes all manner of data loss on iDevices, generally without the user having a choice. For example, my wife lost her entire calendar -all events- just for turning off calendar synchronization. All events had been originally entered through her phone. Somehow iCloud decided to delete anything that was also stored in the cloud, which meant everything. I really don't get the logic behind this behavior. It's really dumb. You never loose user data. So, I don't trust it now. I don't care to have anything to do with it.
- RexRollman 13y agoHistorically, use of Apple's online services have been optional, even in iOS. I would be surprised if that has changed.
- bitwize 13y agoGuess they finally ran out of cats.
- sneak 13y agoTechnically they ran out some time ago, a mountain lion and a panther are the same animal.
- bitwize 13y agoA mountain lion (10.8) and a puma (10.1) are the same animal. A panther (10.3) is a subtype of leopard (10.5). But even with these redundancies, they are running out of large cat names to use and would have to go with the likes of "jaguarundi", "serval", and "manul" to keep the theme going. These are cool animals, but have nowhere near the emotive power that "Jaguar" or "Lion" had.
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- JoshGlazebrook 13y agoIt takes me back to 2008 with Sarah Palin and John McCain. Ick