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I'll answer for him. Neither, I read about the apartheid from reliable sources and I know the situation but also read about statistics to make sure I'm not bei

by devcpp 13y ago

I'll answer for him. Neither, I read about the apartheid from reliable sources and I know the situation but also read about statistics to make sure I'm not being unfair to either side. But what about the people who say "Israel has apartheid"? Did you ask how they can claim that? Or do you just assume that they are/have met South Africans who lived under the Apartheid?

carlob 13y ago
I didn't say 'Israel has apartheid'. I said that some Israeli commenters have compared the situation to apartheid. I used the verb border to be specific. There is a whole wikipedia page on the argument [1] if you want to know more about it. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analog...
- devcpp 13y ago
  Sorry, I supposed that gadders quoted you accurately due to the quotes around "Israel has apartheid". I apologize. I'll edit my reply to maintain the legitimacy of the question.
thwest 13y ago
These are different kinds of statements that require different kinds of knowledge. Israel clearly has two categories of citizens within its borders defined by tribal distinctions (race/religion). Whether this is formally 'apartheid' is an arguement worth having, since we can look at the UN definition and Israel's actions and have a meaningful discussion from an external perspective. Comparing the subjectivities of the lives lived under the two regimes necessitates experiential knowledge that is most likely lacking in this audience. I don't find oppression olympics arguments to be fruitful. The moral calculus of today's actions does not depend on the price paid in South Africa, The Congo, The American South, or in Revolutionary China.
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- Peaker 13y ago
  "within its borders" is correct or incorrect depending on whether you consider the West Bank inside Israeli borders.

by devcpp 13y ago

carlob 13y ago

I didn't say 'Israel has apartheid'. I said that some Israeli commenters have compared the situation to apartheid. I used the verb border to be specific. There is a whole wikipedia page on the argument [1] if you want to know more about it. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analog...

devcpp 13y ago
Sorry, I supposed that gadders quoted you accurately due to the quotes around "Israel has apartheid". I apologize. I'll edit my reply to maintain the legitimacy of the question.

thwest 13y ago

These are different kinds of statements that require different kinds of knowledge. Israel clearly has two categories of citizens within its borders defined by tribal distinctions (race/religion). Whether this is formally 'apartheid' is an arguement worth having, since we can look at the UN definition and Israel's actions and have a meaningful discussion from an external perspective. Comparing the subjectivities of the lives lived under the two regimes necessitates experiential knowledge that is most likely lacking in this audience. I don't find oppression olympics arguments to be fruitful. The moral calculus of today's actions does not depend on the price paid in South Africa, The Congo, The American South, or in Revolutionary China.

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Peaker 13y ago
"within its borders" is correct or incorrect depending on whether you consider the West Bank inside Israeli borders.