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Considering this is a developer conference, and you need to have a Mac to develop iPhone or OS X apps, it seems somewhat fair to expect someone wanting to watch

by annon 13y ago

Considering this is a developer conference, and you need to have a Mac to develop iPhone or OS X apps, it seems somewhat fair to expect someone wanting to watch to be on a Mac.

MatthewPhillips 13y ago
I thought Apple was in favor of HTML5, is this no longer the case?
- snowwrestler 13y ago
  They are, which is why they created HTTP Live Streaming, which is what they will use to stream WWDC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming How does YouTube stream live? I bet it's Flash, like every other live streaming solution available today.
- judah 13y ago
  That's no longer the case. Apple was interested in HTML5 when it was advantageous to do so. Now, it's in their best interest to have developers build native apps in order to charge 30% of the money made from said apps.
  - flyt 13y ago
    Please. The money Apple makes from their 30% cut is a tiny fraction of what they earn from hardware sales. It supports the operation of the App Store and makes some profit but it's never been their key moneymaker.
    - judah 13y ago
      From the keynote: "We have paid out $10 billion to developers in the app store, $5b just in the last year" That would suggest a few billion dollars in app store revenue for Apple. That's nothing to spit at. Apple doesn't want those billions of dollars to disappear into HTML5 apps where they get not such cut.
      - flyt 13y ago
        Comprehensive numbers and analysis for those interested here: http://www.asymco.com/2012/06/12/the-ios-app-market-sales-run-rate-is-4-billion-per-year/ http://www.asymco.com/2012/06/12/the-ios-app-market-sales-ru...
bornhuetter 13y ago
> you need to have a Mac to develop iPhone or OS X apps This backs up my previous point. Why can't I develop iOS apps on Linux?
- shurcooL 13y ago
  Because it takes developer time and other resources to develop tools for iOS development on other platforms. Apple hasn't done it (and they don't have any interest in doing so), they focus all their efforts on the tools within their own environment. If not for other people's efforts with Mono and such [1], C# would be equally Windows/MSVC#-only. [1] I'm not sure if this is completely accurate.
  - bornhuetter 13y ago
    I believe that the problem with .net etc is that the development is done on Windows machines to run on Windows machines. iOS is different. I believe that Apple have gone out of their way to stop people from developing iOS programs on other operating systems. Similarly they have gone out of their way to block me from running OSX in a VM or on non-Apple hardware, even though there are no technical reasons why I can't (in fact you can do it, just not legally).
    - mitchty 13y ago
      Its no different than building windows 8 mobile apps in windows. As for gone out of their way to prevent you from running it in a vm, they equally have no real incentive to make it easy.
      - bornhuetter 13y ago
        > Its no different than building windows 8 mobile apps in windows. I'm pretty sure you can do that on other operating systems. > As for gone out of their way to prevent you from running it in a vm, they equally have no real incentive to make it easy. They have specifically gone out of their way to prevent it. They check to make sure it is being run on Apple hardware, and you can get hacks that bypass this check. There is no technical reason why I can't run OSX in a VM on my Intel Linux machine.

by annon 13y ago

Considering this is a developer conference, and you need to have a Mac to develop iPhone or OS X apps, it seems somewhat fair to expect someone wanting to watch to be on a Mac.

MatthewPhillips 13y ago

I thought Apple was in favor of HTML5, is this no longer the case?

snowwrestler 13y ago
They are, which is why they created HTTP Live Streaming, which is what they will use to stream WWDC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming How does YouTube stream live? I bet it's Flash, like every other live streaming solution available today.
judah 13y ago
That's no longer the case. Apple was interested in HTML5 when it was advantageous to do so. Now, it's in their best interest to have developers build native apps in order to charge 30% of the money made from said apps.
- flyt 13y ago
  Please. The money Apple makes from their 30% cut is a tiny fraction of what they earn from hardware sales. It supports the operation of the App Store and makes some profit but it's never been their key moneymaker.
  - judah 13y ago
    From the keynote: "We have paid out $10 billion to developers in the app store, $5b just in the last year" That would suggest a few billion dollars in app store revenue for Apple. That's nothing to spit at. Apple doesn't want those billions of dollars to disappear into HTML5 apps where they get not such cut.
    - flyt 13y ago
      Comprehensive numbers and analysis for those interested here: http://www.asymco.com/2012/06/12/the-ios-app-market-sales-run-rate-is-4-billion-per-year/ http://www.asymco.com/2012/06/12/the-ios-app-market-sales-ru...

bornhuetter 13y ago

> you need to have a Mac to develop iPhone or OS X apps This backs up my previous point. Why can't I develop iOS apps on Linux?

shurcooL 13y ago
Because it takes developer time and other resources to develop tools for iOS development on other platforms. Apple hasn't done it (and they don't have any interest in doing so), they focus all their efforts on the tools within their own environment. If not for other people's efforts with Mono and such [1], C# would be equally Windows/MSVC#-only. [1] I'm not sure if this is completely accurate.
- bornhuetter 13y ago
  I believe that the problem with .net etc is that the development is done on Windows machines to run on Windows machines. iOS is different. I believe that Apple have gone out of their way to stop people from developing iOS programs on other operating systems. Similarly they have gone out of their way to block me from running OSX in a VM or on non-Apple hardware, even though there are no technical reasons why I can't (in fact you can do it, just not legally).
  - mitchty 13y ago
    Its no different than building windows 8 mobile apps in windows. As for gone out of their way to prevent you from running it in a vm, they equally have no real incentive to make it easy.
    - bornhuetter 13y ago
      > Its no different than building windows 8 mobile apps in windows. I'm pretty sure you can do that on other operating systems. > As for gone out of their way to prevent you from running it in a vm, they equally have no real incentive to make it easy. They have specifically gone out of their way to prevent it. They check to make sure it is being run on Apple hardware, and you can get hacks that bypass this check. There is no technical reason why I can't run OSX in a VM on my Intel Linux machine.