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It's an Apple event... why would they want to stream it on Google? Serious question (your 'everyone else' statement is begging for clari-citation-ification).

by panacea 13y ago

mcintyre1994 13y ago
Maybe everyone else doesn't work in the tech context, because E3 seem to be doing their own thing too. I'm pretty sure I remember Son and Nintendo streaming there though. In a more general context, Felix Baumgartner's jump, Coachella 2013, Al Jazaeera, IOC streamed the Olympics, Barack Obama used it, it just seems to be becoming the standard for live streaming. I can see why they wouldn't, but it's a shame.
bornhuetter 13y ago
I'm not sure that YouTube would be the best choice due to the Google connection, but I do wish they would let people on non-Apple hardware watch. It just furthers my view of them as overly insular and disdainful of Windows/Linux users.
- mcintyre1994 13y ago
  I'd be interested to know how many of their sales are from existing customers, I'd hypothesise more than the average tech company. I suppose to them it's not worth it but it's a shame.
  - bornhuetter 13y ago
    It's needlessly polarizing, though. Like they never learned anything from the Lemmings commercial.
    - mitchty 13y ago
      Umm its their developer conference. By and large if you're a developer, you've got a mac or some device from apple that supports it.
      - bornhuetter 13y ago
        That comment was referring to their attitude in general.
  - diroussel 13y ago
    How many non-Apple customers are going to watch the WWDC live streaming. I suspect it's pretty near zero.
- navs 13y ago
  Just want to point out that Apple does have a Youtube Channel where they place their adverts so they aren't completely avoiding Youtube. How does one have a live streaming event on Youtube anyway? I didn't realize Youtube allowed for live streaming.
- annon 13y ago
  Considering this is a developer conference, and you need to have a Mac to develop iPhone or OS X apps, it seems somewhat fair to expect someone wanting to watch to be on a Mac.
  - MatthewPhillips 13y ago
    I thought Apple was in favor of HTML5, is this no longer the case?
    - snowwrestler 13y ago
      They are, which is why they created HTTP Live Streaming, which is what they will use to stream WWDC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming How does YouTube stream live? I bet it's Flash, like every other live streaming solution available today.
    - judah 13y ago
      That's no longer the case. Apple was interested in HTML5 when it was advantageous to do so. Now, it's in their best interest to have developers build native apps in order to charge 30% of the money made from said apps.
      - flyt 13y ago
        Please. The money Apple makes from their 30% cut is a tiny fraction of what they earn from hardware sales. It supports the operation of the App Store and makes some profit but it's never been their key moneymaker.
        judah 13y ago
        From the keynote: "We have paid out $10 billion to developers in the app store, $5b just in the last year" That would suggest a few billion dollars in app store revenue for Apple. That's nothing to spit at. Apple doesn't want those billions of dollars to disappear into HTML5 apps where they get not such cut.
- coob 13y ago
  The stream is HTTP Live streaming, which VLC and mplayer support. People on non Apple hardware can watch it just fine.
- vvhn 13y ago
  That would make Microsoft pretty disdainful of OS X/Linux/BSD/yada yada.. users as well, Visual Studio is not on anything but Microsoft platforms. Both of their priorities are themselves, their customers and their developers. If your software supports HTTP Live streaming, you can watch it. What Apple is saying is that will be using this to play and they know that the necessary support is in these devices/client software. If you can find the supporting software on your client ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming#Clients http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming#Clients ) there's nothing stopping you from viewing it. And, the spec is published ools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming (It may not be in widespread use but it is available ).
  - bornhuetter 13y ago
    > Visual Studio is not on anything but Microsoft platforms That's a specific piece of software. You can write programs for Windows, Windows Phone, Linux, Android, and even OS X in Linux, but not iOS. Jetbrains have a suite of IDEs for developing applications, but the iOS one had to be gimped to only work properly on OSX. > there's nothing stopping you from viewing it. Yes, well it turns out that Apple lied, and you can in fact watch the stream on non-Apple hardware. The issue I am talking about is much deeper than this - this is just one issue. It's also about, for instance, how every time someone at Apple talks about other company's products they seem to say incredibly derisive and needlessly aggressive things about them.
    - elechi 13y ago
      > Jetbrains have a suite of IDEs for developing applications, but the iOS one had to be gimped to only work properly on OSX. What do you mean by gimped?

It's an Apple event... why would they want to stream it on Google? Serious question (your 'everyone else' statement is begging for clari-citation-ification).

by panacea 13y ago

It's an Apple event... why would they want to stream it on Google? Serious question (your 'everyone else' statement is begging for clari-citation-ification).

mcintyre1994 13y ago

Maybe everyone else doesn't work in the tech context, because E3 seem to be doing their own thing too. I'm pretty sure I remember Son and Nintendo streaming there though. In a more general context, Felix Baumgartner's jump, Coachella 2013, Al Jazaeera, IOC streamed the Olympics, Barack Obama used it, it just seems to be becoming the standard for live streaming. I can see why they wouldn't, but it's a shame.

bornhuetter 13y ago

I'm not sure that YouTube would be the best choice due to the Google connection, but I do wish they would let people on non-Apple hardware watch. It just furthers my view of them as overly insular and disdainful of Windows/Linux users.

mcintyre1994 13y ago
I'd be interested to know how many of their sales are from existing customers, I'd hypothesise more than the average tech company. I suppose to them it's not worth it but it's a shame.
- bornhuetter 13y ago
  It's needlessly polarizing, though. Like they never learned anything from the Lemmings commercial.
  - mitchty 13y ago
    Umm its their developer conference. By and large if you're a developer, you've got a mac or some device from apple that supports it.
    - bornhuetter 13y ago
      That comment was referring to their attitude in general.
- diroussel 13y ago
  How many non-Apple customers are going to watch the WWDC live streaming. I suspect it's pretty near zero.
navs 13y ago
Just want to point out that Apple does have a Youtube Channel where they place their adverts so they aren't completely avoiding Youtube. How does one have a live streaming event on Youtube anyway? I didn't realize Youtube allowed for live streaming.
annon 13y ago
Considering this is a developer conference, and you need to have a Mac to develop iPhone or OS X apps, it seems somewhat fair to expect someone wanting to watch to be on a Mac.
- MatthewPhillips 13y ago
  I thought Apple was in favor of HTML5, is this no longer the case?
  - snowwrestler 13y ago
    They are, which is why they created HTTP Live Streaming, which is what they will use to stream WWDC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming How does YouTube stream live? I bet it's Flash, like every other live streaming solution available today.
  - judah 13y ago
    That's no longer the case. Apple was interested in HTML5 when it was advantageous to do so. Now, it's in their best interest to have developers build native apps in order to charge 30% of the money made from said apps.
    - flyt 13y ago
      Please. The money Apple makes from their 30% cut is a tiny fraction of what they earn from hardware sales. It supports the operation of the App Store and makes some profit but it's never been their key moneymaker.
      - judah 13y ago
        From the keynote: "We have paid out $10 billion to developers in the app store, $5b just in the last year" That would suggest a few billion dollars in app store revenue for Apple. That's nothing to spit at. Apple doesn't want those billions of dollars to disappear into HTML5 apps where they get not such cut.
coob 13y ago
The stream is HTTP Live streaming, which VLC and mplayer support. People on non Apple hardware can watch it just fine.
vvhn 13y ago
That would make Microsoft pretty disdainful of OS X/Linux/BSD/yada yada.. users as well, Visual Studio is not on anything but Microsoft platforms. Both of their priorities are themselves, their customers and their developers. If your software supports HTTP Live streaming, you can watch it. What Apple is saying is that will be using this to play and they know that the necessary support is in these devices/client software. If you can find the supporting software on your client ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming#Clients http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming#Clients ) there's nothing stopping you from viewing it. And, the spec is published ools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming (It may not be in widespread use but it is available ).
- bornhuetter 13y ago
  > Visual Studio is not on anything but Microsoft platforms That's a specific piece of software. You can write programs for Windows, Windows Phone, Linux, Android, and even OS X in Linux, but not iOS. Jetbrains have a suite of IDEs for developing applications, but the iOS one had to be gimped to only work properly on OSX. > there's nothing stopping you from viewing it. Yes, well it turns out that Apple lied, and you can in fact watch the stream on non-Apple hardware. The issue I am talking about is much deeper than this - this is just one issue. It's also about, for instance, how every time someone at Apple talks about other company's products they seem to say incredibly derisive and needlessly aggressive things about them.
  - elechi 13y ago
    > Jetbrains have a suite of IDEs for developing applications, but the iOS one had to be gimped to only work properly on OSX. What do you mean by gimped?