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WWDC 2013 Keynote

186 points by qnk 13y ago

qnk 13y ago
07:00 — Honolulu, Hawaii 10:00 — San Francisco, California 13:00 — New York, New York 14:00 — São Paulo, Brazil 18:00 — London, England 19:00 — Rome, Italy 20:00 — Riyadh, Saudi Arabia 21:00 — Moscow, Russia 22:30 — New Delhi, India 01:00 — Shanghai, China (June 11) 02:00 — Tokyo, Japan (June 11) 03:00 — Sydney, Australia (June 11)
- HugoDias 13y ago
  Thank you ;)
- janlukacs 13y ago
  20:00 - Bucuresti, Romania
- stack0v3erfl0w 13y ago
  And for other timezones : http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130610T10&p0=224&msg=Apple+event&csz=1 http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130610T10...
- kristofferR 13y ago
  PSA: The Microsoft E3 press conference will be live streamed at exactly the same time (though MS will start 30 min before Apple) as Apple's WWDC press conference. A few hours afterwards the EA, Ubisoft and the Sony press conferences will commence. Here's a great site with times (in your local time zone) and live stream links to all the E3 speeches upcoming tonight: http://www.e3countdown.com/ http://www.e3countdown.com/ This is going to be one of the most exciting nights for tech/gaming junkies like me in a long time!
  - revscat 13y ago
    Not for me. The recent revelations about the NSA have made me realize that these events are largely a distraction from greater issues.
    - javipas 13y ago
      Indeed. And I'm editor at several tech sites.
    - freshyill 13y ago
      Ever since the government started doing things that I disapprove of, I also stopped enjoying the things I like.
    - simonbarker87 13y ago
      Really? Lighten up
      - chris_wot 13y ago
        No.
    - tvon 13y ago
      Of all the shit that has gone in in the world in recent history, the NSA potentially reading your email is what makes you care less about WWDC?
      - chris_wot 13y ago
        Yes.
        tvon 13y ago
        Fair enough.
      - anonyfuss 13y ago
        Yes.
    - cowls 13y ago
      Lets move off the NSA chat for 5 minutes?
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  - smackfu 13y ago
    Microsoft starts 30 minutes earlier than Apple.
- Spiritus 13y ago
  http://wheniskeynote.com/ http://wheniskeynote.com/
- drcode 13y ago
  And those of us in Chicago? What are we, chopped deep dish pizza?
  - thehme 13y ago
    It starts ar 13:00 in NYC, so that means that it starts at...how many hours behind are you guys? oh yeah..should be 12:00.
    - suyash 13y ago
      10:00 am in San Francisco Bay Area.
- meerita 13y ago
  19:00 in Madrid, Spain.
soupboy 13y ago
"Live Streaming video requires Safari 4 or later on Mac OS X v10.6 or later; Safari on iOS 4.2 or later. Streaming via Apple TV requires second- or third-generation Apple TV with software 5.0.2 or later."
- mmmooo 13y ago
  mplayer http://qthttp.apple.com.edgesuite.net/129opiygabsdvibsdfobsd/sl_vod_mvp.m3u8 http://qthttp.apple.com.edgesuite.net/129opiygabsdvibsdfobsd... seems to work for now. Though streaming the previous event for the time being.
  - bjustin 13y ago
    VLC also can play it. File->Open Network Stream, paste link. Don't know the CLI command to open it in VLC.
    - plantain 13y ago
      vlc http://qthttp.apple.com.edgesuite.net/129opiygabsdvibsdfobsd/sl_vod_mvp.m3u http://qthttp.apple.com.edgesuite.net/129opiygabsdvibsdfobsd... ;)
      - recuter 13y ago
        On a mac it would be: open -a /Applications/VLC.app/ http://qthttp.apple.com.edgesuite.net/129opiygabsdvibsdfobsd/sl_vod_mvp.m3u http://qthttp.apple.com.edgesuite.net/129opiygabsdvibsdfobsd... :)
  - SEMW 13y ago
    The keynote's started, and that link's still playing last year's.
    - plantain 13y ago
      Try this - http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/13oygadvoyibawefpiuawefpiuawdf6/sl_mvp.m3u8 http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/13oygadvoyi...
egb 13y ago
What are the chances the streaming servers will be able to hold up with the demand? Anybody got a favorite mirror for this?
- kristofferR 13y ago
  Pretty big, they're using the massive Akamai network handling 15-20% of all internet traffic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akamai_Technologies#Customers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akamai_Technologies#Customers
  - panacea 13y ago
    30-40% if you include PRISM. Edit: Ok, fair enough with the down mod, I made a witty remark, but seriously, how do you measure internet traffic? In photons going to designated recipients, as if they were sealed love letters?
    - Samuel_Michon 13y ago
      If the NSA required a copy of every bit flying around the Internet, wouldn’t the amount of traffic caused by Akamai remain the same, percentage wise? (15 out of 100 is 15%. 30 out of 200 is also 15%.)
      - wiredfool 13y ago
        Yeah, but they only need one copy of what's on akamai, plus the metadata.
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- smackfu 13y ago
  Apple uses their HTTP Live Streaming system for this. It is essentially a refreshing m3u playlist of 10 second MP4 video chunks that are served as normal files via HTTP, over their standard CDN. It works well as long as the playlist refreshes properly, and the data gets deployed to the CDN fast enough.
kristofferR 13y ago
So they're streaming this one live for the first time in ages?
- relix 13y ago
  Since last year, you mean? Edit: Thanks smackfu - apparently last year's WWDC event was not streamed, but their October special event was, which got me confused.
  - smackfu 13y ago
    I don't think the WWDC 2012 keynote was live streamed. The October 2012 special event for the iPad mini was though.
    - relix 13y ago
      Ah I was probably confused with that, then. I guess my statement is still technically correct, but I did mean last year's WWDC event.
  - kristofferR 13y ago
    I'm pretty sure they didn't live stream last years keynote. They always record a video that is released after the keynote is finished, maybe that's what you're thinking of. "Apple did not broadcast the keynote live" http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/11/video-of-wwdc-2012-keynote-now-available/ http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/11/video-of-wwdc-2012-keyno...
mcintyre1994 13y ago
Shame they won't just stream on Youtube like everyone else.
- RossM 13y ago
  I find the once-per-year installation and subsequent purging of QuickTime quite therapeutic. Is there anyone else than Apple that still serves up QuickTime video?
  - mcintyre1994 13y ago
    Not that I'm aware of, unless they use it internally for OS X apps?
  - mikeash 13y ago
    Isn't all of this H.264 stuff floating around these days basically a subset of QuickTime?
  - smackfu 13y ago
    Most iOS app that shows video are using it behind the scenes. It's even mandatory if you want to work over 3G: "If your app delivers video over cellular networks, and the video exceeds either 10 minutes duration or 5 MB of data in a five minute period, you are required to use HTTP Live Streaming. (Progressive download may be used for smaller clips.)"
  - diroussel 13y ago
    Who doesn't serve up quicktime video? After all mp4 is based on quicktime.
  - micampe 13y ago
    Did you really install it? Why? Just to take a jab at it? You should have used VLC if you are not on a Mac. The video stream is H264, not QuickTime video.
- snowwrestler 13y ago
  Who live streams on YouTube aside from the occasional celebrity event with connections?
wmeredith 13y ago
This is available on Apple TV as well.
philfreo 13y ago
Why can't I use Firefox or Chrome to view this?
- criswell 13y ago
  "Live Streaming video requires Safari 4 or later on Mac OS X v10.6 or later; Safari on iOS 4.2 or later. Streaming via Apple TV requires second- or third-generation Apple TV with software 5.0.2 or later." Give me a break.
  - mitchty 13y ago
    Its just http live streaming, use vlc if you want to its worked in the past.
- diroussel 13y ago
  If you are interested in this event running Safari is no great hardship.
  - untog 13y ago
    Somehow I doubt HN would have the same reaction if MS forced people to use Internet Explorer to watch a video.
  - philfreo 13y ago
    Hardship? Of course not - it's right there in my dock. My point is more about open web standards and Apple not caring about them here.
    - diroussel 13y ago
      Definition: > "An open standard [1] is a standard that is publicly available and has various rights to use associated with it," Published standard: HTTP Live Streaming at IETF [2] See also: HTTP Live Streaming at apple.com [3] The real question is why have none of the other browsers gone on to implement what is a very efficient streaming technology. And HTTP live streaming is very web-like, there's not really any new technology there. Instead Firefox and Chrome put effort into WebRTC, which seems like a lot more work. Although I do accept that WebRTC is orthogonal to HTTP Live streaming. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming-11 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming... [3] https://developer.apple.com/streaming/ https://developer.apple.com/streaming/
chollida1 13y ago
Is there a way to watch this from a Linux or windows OS? I bet I'm like a lot of other people here where I have a macbook air at home but work on Linux and windows machines.
- bornhuetter 13y ago
  I don't own or use anything that is allowed to view this, but I would still like to. I really wish Apple would change their attitude toward non-Apple users.
  - robterrell 13y ago
    It's not about allowed device. It's about supported technology. Apple went all-in on HTTP live streaming, everything they make supports it, and everything they stream uses it. VLC supports it. I think silverlight does too, if you want to whip up your own player in a dead technology.
    - bornhuetter 13y ago
      Yes, well it turns out that Apple lied, and you can in fact watch the stream on non-Apple hardware.
      - hnriot 13y ago
        seriously??? get over yourself.
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        bornhuetter 13y ago
        Yes, 100% seriously. They said that you can't watch the stream on non-Apple hardware, and it turns out that is completely untrue. Why is it in any way controversial for me to point this out?
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cadalac 13y ago
The fact that the stream is live for apple users suggests that they are the targeted audience.
- guywithabike 13y ago
  The fact that this is the World Wide Developer's Conference makes me think that developers are the targeted audience.
ywang0414 13y ago
Use raveler to discuss WWDC. It's better than using twitter. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/raveler/id641285606 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/raveler/id641285606
- kiquro 13y ago
  I don't think you should lie when advertising your product.
  - pyang 13y ago
    Especially when it looks like Raveler co-opted Path.app's logo.
    - ywang0414 13y ago
      We actually took a lot of logo inspiration from the CNN app, instead of Path. If you had a chance to take a look at the app. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
  - ywang0414 13y ago
    I truly believe that's the case. It's simply a subjective opinion, not trying to lie. I think it's better than twitter because of the reply system, whereas twitter doesn't support conversations very well. You may not think it's better, but it doesn't mean it's a lie. Although, I would love to hear your thoughts on why it's not better. :)
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rsync 13y ago
New mac pro or gtfo.
- rch 13y ago
  I'm hoping for Xeon Phi coprocessors as standard a option too.
  - mathnode 13y ago
    With an extra 10+ hours battery life. With every core (CPU+GPU) at 100%. Heh, sorry couldn't resist. We all know that's totally unrealistic. What I really want is a changeable battery, whoops there I go again!
    - apendleton 13y ago
      Battery on a mac pro? What for?
- marquis 13y ago
  I hope you got plenty of what you asked for. It's the size of small cat with glow-in-the-dark lighting for fumbling with your USB keys under a table. Plus lots of other stuff.
- rsync 13y ago
  So there is a new mac pro ... and it's a cylinder. The nicest thing about a mac pro is the simple, well designed internals that made for ease of upgrade for cards and drives, and I am not sure how that will work in a cylinder... Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised...
grecy 13y ago
For everyone asking for a Windows or Linux live stream, last time I watched it on UStream on Win XP - it worked flawlessly, and was about ~30 seconds behind the live blogs. www.ustream.tv/ltktv looks good for today
- Achshar 13y ago
  If this is the guys who stream from a phone then last time they got caught about 5 times and the video/audio was pretty terrible in the auditorium wifi which is flaky. But that was a Steve Jobs keynote. Maybe Cook's will be different/more lenient.
  - smackfu 13y ago
    No need to stream from a phone this year, or even be in the room. Joe Random with a Ustream account just needs to open the official stream on a Mac, then rebroadcast that to UStream. Easy.
    - Achshar 13y ago
      Oh I see, that makes sense. Thanks!
Achshar 13y ago
I am on windows 8, Chrome/Firefox/IE10 and even installed quicktime. I also have VLC. Does anyone know a way to stream the video? Safari is not available for windows anymore. Seems pointless to restrict a huge demographic out.
- jaffoneh 13y ago
  As far as I know, it will not work on Windows. From the page: Live Streaming video requires Safari 4 or later on Mac OS X v10.6 or later; Safari on iOS 4.2 or later. Streaming via Apple TV requires second- or third-generation Apple TV with software 5.0.2 or later.
  - Achshar 13y ago
    Yes, as you say, that's... written on the linked page.
- bjustin 13y ago
  VLC should play it. See this thread in the comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5854159 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5854159
  - Achshar 13y ago
    That link doesn't work as of now.
pdknsk 13y ago
I can barely watch this. Cook imitating Jobs doesn't work.
- erydo 13y ago
  It hasn't even started yet…why would you make that comment?
  - pdknsk 13y ago
    The direct HTTP link posted here was still playing the keynote of last year, which I didn't notice immediately. I have no doubt my comment will still apply when it actually starts.
    - pazimzadeh 13y ago
      Well?
- pazimzadeh 13y ago
  I hasn't started yet..
suyash 13y ago
It hasn't started yet has it?
WestCoastJustin 13y ago
Techcrunch: Live From Apple’s WWDC 2013 Keynote http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/live-blog-wwdc-2013-keynote/ http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/live-blog-wwdc-2013-keynote...
thehme 13y ago
really? you cannot watch if you are not on iOS? Messed up.
thehme 13y ago
Is it just me or have i been spoiled by the awesome conference setups from the past (e.g. Google), that I am already a bit disappointed with the beginning of this one?
squidi 13y ago
http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/13oygadvoyibawefpiuawefpiuawdf6/sl_mvp.m3u8 http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/13oygadvoyi... for VLC
- cheald 13y ago
  This manages to keep crashing VLC for me. Heh.
  - evanw 13y ago
    Same here - anybody have a fix?
    - squidi 13y ago
      Same here (and on mobile too). Seems like mirrors on Ustream are the best option e.g. http://www.ustream.tv/ltktv http://www.ustream.tv/ltktv
      - SEMW 13y ago
        Yeah, I think so. I've had a look through the other feeds on ustream, and haven't found one good quality as that one but that doesn't have annoying commentators talking over the presenter. Ah well...
        Achshar 13y ago
        Can you give a link to a low quality one? My problem is I have low speed connection.
        SEMW 13y ago
        http://www.ustream.tv/channel/wwdc-2013-live http://www.ustream.tv/channel/wwdc-2013-live was one, but I've no idea if it'll be better for slow connections than http://www.ustream.tv/ltktv http://www.ustream.tv/ltktv
pshc 13y ago
Really happy to see a tagging file system. Messing around with a hierarchical taxonomy has always been a waste of my time. EDIT: oh crap flat UI
- TomAnthony 13y ago
  I agree somewhat, but I think I've become somewhat institutionalised by the hierarchical approach! However, here you can blend the two and get the best of both worlds. :)
TomAnthony 13y ago
Finally -- tabbed windows in the Finder. I am so so happy about this! It is a simple feature, so I'm happy to see it finally arrive. The other window and dock management changes also look like big wins for me. :)
- seclorum 13y ago
  I wonder if the Finder will finally be able to auto-adjust its font for best-fit-for-content style views. Its the 21st Century, it should be doing this by now, grr ..
bangkoknights 13y ago
With the old Mac Pro, everything was in one box. With the new Mac Pro, you will need power supplies for many external devices. Spinning the Mac Pro around is going to pull all those cables. Could make for a messy desk.
adamman 13y ago
iOS 7 looks like Windows Phone and Android had a baby.
- miguelrochefort 13y ago
  A fugly one.
tuxguy 13y ago
Does anyone have a download link of the keynote video ? I live in India & the bandwidth is really low to watch the streaming video(even post the event) :(

WWDC 2013 Keynote

186 points by qnk 13y ago

qnk 13y ago

07:00 — Honolulu, Hawaii 10:00 — San Francisco, California 13:00 — New York, New York 14:00 — São Paulo, Brazil 18:00 — London, England 19:00 — Rome, Italy 20:00 — Riyadh, Saudi Arabia 21:00 — Moscow, Russia 22:30 — New Delhi, India 01:00 — Shanghai, China (June 11) 02:00 — Tokyo, Japan (June 11) 03:00 — Sydney, Australia (June 11)

HugoDias 13y ago
Thank you ;)
janlukacs 13y ago
20:00 - Bucuresti, Romania
stack0v3erfl0w 13y ago
And for other timezones : http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130610T10&p0=224&msg=Apple+event&csz=1 http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130610T10...
kristofferR 13y ago
PSA: The Microsoft E3 press conference will be live streamed at exactly the same time (though MS will start 30 min before Apple) as Apple's WWDC press conference. A few hours afterwards the EA, Ubisoft and the Sony press conferences will commence. Here's a great site with times (in your local time zone) and live stream links to all the E3 speeches upcoming tonight: http://www.e3countdown.com/ http://www.e3countdown.com/ This is going to be one of the most exciting nights for tech/gaming junkies like me in a long time!
- revscat 13y ago
  Not for me. The recent revelations about the NSA have made me realize that these events are largely a distraction from greater issues.
  - javipas 13y ago
    Indeed. And I'm editor at several tech sites.
  - freshyill 13y ago
    Ever since the government started doing things that I disapprove of, I also stopped enjoying the things I like.
  - simonbarker87 13y ago
    Really? Lighten up
    - chris_wot 13y ago
      No.
  - tvon 13y ago
    Of all the shit that has gone in in the world in recent history, the NSA potentially reading your email is what makes you care less about WWDC?
    - chris_wot 13y ago
      Yes.
      - tvon 13y ago
        Fair enough.
    - anonyfuss 13y ago
      Yes.
  - cowls 13y ago
    Lets move off the NSA chat for 5 minutes?
    - 13y ago
- smackfu 13y ago
  Microsoft starts 30 minutes earlier than Apple.
Spiritus 13y ago
http://wheniskeynote.com/ http://wheniskeynote.com/
drcode 13y ago
And those of us in Chicago? What are we, chopped deep dish pizza?
- thehme 13y ago
  It starts ar 13:00 in NYC, so that means that it starts at...how many hours behind are you guys? oh yeah..should be 12:00.
  - suyash 13y ago
    10:00 am in San Francisco Bay Area.
meerita 13y ago
19:00 in Madrid, Spain.

soupboy 13y ago

"Live Streaming video requires Safari 4 or later on Mac OS X v10.6 or later; Safari on iOS 4.2 or later. Streaming via Apple TV requires second- or third-generation Apple TV with software 5.0.2 or later."

mmmooo 13y ago
mplayer http://qthttp.apple.com.edgesuite.net/129opiygabsdvibsdfobsd/sl_vod_mvp.m3u8 http://qthttp.apple.com.edgesuite.net/129opiygabsdvibsdfobsd... seems to work for now. Though streaming the previous event for the time being.
- bjustin 13y ago
  VLC also can play it. File->Open Network Stream, paste link. Don't know the CLI command to open it in VLC.
  - plantain 13y ago
    vlc http://qthttp.apple.com.edgesuite.net/129opiygabsdvibsdfobsd/sl_vod_mvp.m3u http://qthttp.apple.com.edgesuite.net/129opiygabsdvibsdfobsd... ;)
    - recuter 13y ago
      On a mac it would be: open -a /Applications/VLC.app/ http://qthttp.apple.com.edgesuite.net/129opiygabsdvibsdfobsd/sl_vod_mvp.m3u http://qthttp.apple.com.edgesuite.net/129opiygabsdvibsdfobsd... :)
- SEMW 13y ago
  The keynote's started, and that link's still playing last year's.
  - plantain 13y ago
    Try this - http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/13oygadvoyibawefpiuawefpiuawdf6/sl_mvp.m3u8 http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/13oygadvoyi...

egb 13y ago

What are the chances the streaming servers will be able to hold up with the demand? Anybody got a favorite mirror for this?

kristofferR 13y ago
Pretty big, they're using the massive Akamai network handling 15-20% of all internet traffic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akamai_Technologies#Customers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akamai_Technologies#Customers
- panacea 13y ago
  30-40% if you include PRISM. Edit: Ok, fair enough with the down mod, I made a witty remark, but seriously, how do you measure internet traffic? In photons going to designated recipients, as if they were sealed love letters?
  - Samuel_Michon 13y ago
    If the NSA required a copy of every bit flying around the Internet, wouldn’t the amount of traffic caused by Akamai remain the same, percentage wise? (15 out of 100 is 15%. 30 out of 200 is also 15%.)
    - wiredfool 13y ago
      Yeah, but they only need one copy of what's on akamai, plus the metadata.
      - deleted 13y ago
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smackfu 13y ago
Apple uses their HTTP Live Streaming system for this. It is essentially a refreshing m3u playlist of 10 second MP4 video chunks that are served as normal files via HTTP, over their standard CDN. It works well as long as the playlist refreshes properly, and the data gets deployed to the CDN fast enough.

kristofferR 13y ago

So they're streaming this one live for the first time in ages?

relix 13y ago
Since last year, you mean? Edit: Thanks smackfu - apparently last year's WWDC event was not streamed, but their October special event was, which got me confused.
- smackfu 13y ago
  I don't think the WWDC 2012 keynote was live streamed. The October 2012 special event for the iPad mini was though.
  - relix 13y ago
    Ah I was probably confused with that, then. I guess my statement is still technically correct, but I did mean last year's WWDC event.
- kristofferR 13y ago
  I'm pretty sure they didn't live stream last years keynote. They always record a video that is released after the keynote is finished, maybe that's what you're thinking of. "Apple did not broadcast the keynote live" http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/11/video-of-wwdc-2012-keynote-now-available/ http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/11/video-of-wwdc-2012-keyno...

mcintyre1994 13y ago

Shame they won't just stream on Youtube like everyone else.

RossM 13y ago
I find the once-per-year installation and subsequent purging of QuickTime quite therapeutic. Is there anyone else than Apple that still serves up QuickTime video?
- mcintyre1994 13y ago
  Not that I'm aware of, unless they use it internally for OS X apps?
- mikeash 13y ago
  Isn't all of this H.264 stuff floating around these days basically a subset of QuickTime?
- smackfu 13y ago
  Most iOS app that shows video are using it behind the scenes. It's even mandatory if you want to work over 3G: "If your app delivers video over cellular networks, and the video exceeds either 10 minutes duration or 5 MB of data in a five minute period, you are required to use HTTP Live Streaming. (Progressive download may be used for smaller clips.)"
- diroussel 13y ago
  Who doesn't serve up quicktime video? After all mp4 is based on quicktime.
- micampe 13y ago
  Did you really install it? Why? Just to take a jab at it? You should have used VLC if you are not on a Mac. The video stream is H264, not QuickTime video.
snowwrestler 13y ago
Who live streams on YouTube aside from the occasional celebrity event with connections?

wmeredith 13y ago

This is available on Apple TV as well.

philfreo 13y ago

Why can't I use Firefox or Chrome to view this?

criswell 13y ago
"Live Streaming video requires Safari 4 or later on Mac OS X v10.6 or later; Safari on iOS 4.2 or later. Streaming via Apple TV requires second- or third-generation Apple TV with software 5.0.2 or later." Give me a break.
- mitchty 13y ago
  Its just http live streaming, use vlc if you want to its worked in the past.
diroussel 13y ago
If you are interested in this event running Safari is no great hardship.
- untog 13y ago
  Somehow I doubt HN would have the same reaction if MS forced people to use Internet Explorer to watch a video.
- philfreo 13y ago
  Hardship? Of course not - it's right there in my dock. My point is more about open web standards and Apple not caring about them here.
  - diroussel 13y ago
    Definition: > "An open standard [1] is a standard that is publicly available and has various rights to use associated with it," Published standard: HTTP Live Streaming at IETF [2] See also: HTTP Live Streaming at apple.com [3] The real question is why have none of the other browsers gone on to implement what is a very efficient streaming technology. And HTTP live streaming is very web-like, there's not really any new technology there. Instead Firefox and Chrome put effort into WebRTC, which seems like a lot more work. Although I do accept that WebRTC is orthogonal to HTTP Live streaming. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming-11 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pantos-http-live-streaming... [3] https://developer.apple.com/streaming/ https://developer.apple.com/streaming/

chollida1 13y ago

Is there a way to watch this from a Linux or windows OS? I bet I'm like a lot of other people here where I have a macbook air at home but work on Linux and windows machines.

bornhuetter 13y ago
I don't own or use anything that is allowed to view this, but I would still like to. I really wish Apple would change their attitude toward non-Apple users.
- robterrell 13y ago
  It's not about allowed device. It's about supported technology. Apple went all-in on HTTP live streaming, everything they make supports it, and everything they stream uses it. VLC supports it. I think silverlight does too, if you want to whip up your own player in a dead technology.
  - bornhuetter 13y ago
    Yes, well it turns out that Apple lied, and you can in fact watch the stream on non-Apple hardware.
    - hnriot 13y ago
      seriously??? get over yourself.
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      - bornhuetter 13y ago
        Yes, 100% seriously. They said that you can't watch the stream on non-Apple hardware, and it turns out that is completely untrue. Why is it in any way controversial for me to point this out?
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cadalac 13y ago

The fact that the stream is live for apple users suggests that they are the targeted audience.

guywithabike 13y ago
The fact that this is the World Wide Developer's Conference makes me think that developers are the targeted audience.

ywang0414 13y ago

Use raveler to discuss WWDC. It's better than using twitter. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/raveler/id641285606 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/raveler/id641285606

kiquro 13y ago
I don't think you should lie when advertising your product.
- pyang 13y ago
  Especially when it looks like Raveler co-opted Path.app's logo.
  - ywang0414 13y ago
    We actually took a lot of logo inspiration from the CNN app, instead of Path. If you had a chance to take a look at the app. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
- ywang0414 13y ago
  I truly believe that's the case. It's simply a subjective opinion, not trying to lie. I think it's better than twitter because of the reply system, whereas twitter doesn't support conversations very well. You may not think it's better, but it doesn't mean it's a lie. Although, I would love to hear your thoughts on why it's not better. :)
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rsync 13y ago

New mac pro or gtfo.

rch 13y ago
I'm hoping for Xeon Phi coprocessors as standard a option too.
- mathnode 13y ago
  With an extra 10+ hours battery life. With every core (CPU+GPU) at 100%. Heh, sorry couldn't resist. We all know that's totally unrealistic. What I really want is a changeable battery, whoops there I go again!
  - apendleton 13y ago
    Battery on a mac pro? What for?
marquis 13y ago
I hope you got plenty of what you asked for. It's the size of small cat with glow-in-the-dark lighting for fumbling with your USB keys under a table. Plus lots of other stuff.
rsync 13y ago
So there is a new mac pro ... and it's a cylinder. The nicest thing about a mac pro is the simple, well designed internals that made for ease of upgrade for cards and drives, and I am not sure how that will work in a cylinder... Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised...

grecy 13y ago

For everyone asking for a Windows or Linux live stream, last time I watched it on UStream on Win XP - it worked flawlessly, and was about ~30 seconds behind the live blogs. www.ustream.tv/ltktv looks good for today

Achshar 13y ago
If this is the guys who stream from a phone then last time they got caught about 5 times and the video/audio was pretty terrible in the auditorium wifi which is flaky. But that was a Steve Jobs keynote. Maybe Cook's will be different/more lenient.
- smackfu 13y ago
  No need to stream from a phone this year, or even be in the room. Joe Random with a Ustream account just needs to open the official stream on a Mac, then rebroadcast that to UStream. Easy.
  - Achshar 13y ago
    Oh I see, that makes sense. Thanks!

Achshar 13y ago

I am on windows 8, Chrome/Firefox/IE10 and even installed quicktime. I also have VLC. Does anyone know a way to stream the video? Safari is not available for windows anymore. Seems pointless to restrict a huge demographic out.

jaffoneh 13y ago
As far as I know, it will not work on Windows. From the page: Live Streaming video requires Safari 4 or later on Mac OS X v10.6 or later; Safari on iOS 4.2 or later. Streaming via Apple TV requires second- or third-generation Apple TV with software 5.0.2 or later.
- Achshar 13y ago
  Yes, as you say, that's... written on the linked page.
bjustin 13y ago
VLC should play it. See this thread in the comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5854159 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5854159
- Achshar 13y ago
  That link doesn't work as of now.

pdknsk 13y ago

I can barely watch this. Cook imitating Jobs doesn't work.

erydo 13y ago
It hasn't even started yet…why would you make that comment?
- pdknsk 13y ago
  The direct HTTP link posted here was still playing the keynote of last year, which I didn't notice immediately. I have no doubt my comment will still apply when it actually starts.
  - pazimzadeh 13y ago
    Well?
pazimzadeh 13y ago
I hasn't started yet..

suyash 13y ago

It hasn't started yet has it?

WestCoastJustin 13y ago

Techcrunch: Live From Apple’s WWDC 2013 Keynote http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/live-blog-wwdc-2013-keynote/ http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/10/live-blog-wwdc-2013-keynote...

thehme 13y ago

really? you cannot watch if you are not on iOS? Messed up.

thehme 13y ago

Is it just me or have i been spoiled by the awesome conference setups from the past (e.g. Google), that I am already a bit disappointed with the beginning of this one?

squidi 13y ago

http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/13oygadvoyibawefpiuawefpiuawdf6/sl_mvp.m3u8 http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/13oygadvoyi... for VLC

cheald 13y ago
This manages to keep crashing VLC for me. Heh.
- evanw 13y ago
  Same here - anybody have a fix?
  - squidi 13y ago
    Same here (and on mobile too). Seems like mirrors on Ustream are the best option e.g. http://www.ustream.tv/ltktv http://www.ustream.tv/ltktv
    - SEMW 13y ago
      Yeah, I think so. I've had a look through the other feeds on ustream, and haven't found one good quality as that one but that doesn't have annoying commentators talking over the presenter. Ah well...
      - Achshar 13y ago
        Can you give a link to a low quality one? My problem is I have low speed connection.
        SEMW 13y ago
        http://www.ustream.tv/channel/wwdc-2013-live http://www.ustream.tv/channel/wwdc-2013-live was one, but I've no idea if it'll be better for slow connections than http://www.ustream.tv/ltktv http://www.ustream.tv/ltktv

pshc 13y ago

Really happy to see a tagging file system. Messing around with a hierarchical taxonomy has always been a waste of my time. EDIT: oh crap flat UI

TomAnthony 13y ago
I agree somewhat, but I think I've become somewhat institutionalised by the hierarchical approach! However, here you can blend the two and get the best of both worlds. :)

TomAnthony 13y ago

Finally -- tabbed windows in the Finder. I am so so happy about this! It is a simple feature, so I'm happy to see it finally arrive. The other window and dock management changes also look like big wins for me. :)

seclorum 13y ago
I wonder if the Finder will finally be able to auto-adjust its font for best-fit-for-content style views. Its the 21st Century, it should be doing this by now, grr ..

bangkoknights 13y ago

With the old Mac Pro, everything was in one box. With the new Mac Pro, you will need power supplies for many external devices. Spinning the Mac Pro around is going to pull all those cables. Could make for a messy desk.

adamman 13y ago

iOS 7 looks like Windows Phone and Android had a baby.

miguelrochefort 13y ago
A fugly one.

tuxguy 13y ago

Does anyone have a download link of the keynote video ? I live in India & the bandwidth is really low to watch the streaming video(even post the event) :(