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Let's hope so. The sooner the US gets marginalized and put on the shelf internationally, the sooner the world will become a safer place to live.

mitchty 13y ago
So those fleets of warships keeping shipping lanes open and free from pirate activity have done nothing for safety? I'm not saying america is perfect, but if we scale back our navy for example, there is going to have to be a lot of slack for other countries to pick up. And that means costs rising and more taxes for others. As well as the chance of increased conflict. The world isn't so cut and dry as you make it out to be.
- flyinRyan 13y ago
  There will be costs to all of us, but at some point the US is costing more than it's saving us. I think we must be close to that point if not already past it.
  - mitchty 13y ago
    That is a statement that can't even be backed up with anything but conjecture. How would you even start measuring the cost/benefit ratio? What monetary value do you assign to things like privacy? How do you know where you're moving things to doesn't have a "better hidden" equivalent to what the US is doing? Do you even know if it would be worth moving things? What is the opportunity cost to moving? What is the cost if you're wrong? As much as I'd love to agree with the pathos response to these things, its better to see and wait than to kneejerk react to things.
Silhouette 13y ago
The sooner the US gets marginalized and put on the shelf internationally FWIW, I certainly wouldn't go that far. However, I would prefer to see the administration of the US promoting more equal partnerships with other nations, rather than arrogantly presuming that they are somehow automatically qualified to lead the world in every field of human endeavour or that they should for some reason be exempt from normal standards of decent behaviour that they expect everyone else to follow.

mitchty 13y ago

So those fleets of warships keeping shipping lanes open and free from pirate activity have done nothing for safety? I'm not saying america is perfect, but if we scale back our navy for example, there is going to have to be a lot of slack for other countries to pick up. And that means costs rising and more taxes for others. As well as the chance of increased conflict. The world isn't so cut and dry as you make it out to be.

flyinRyan 13y ago
There will be costs to all of us, but at some point the US is costing more than it's saving us. I think we must be close to that point if not already past it.
- mitchty 13y ago
  That is a statement that can't even be backed up with anything but conjecture. How would you even start measuring the cost/benefit ratio? What monetary value do you assign to things like privacy? How do you know where you're moving things to doesn't have a "better hidden" equivalent to what the US is doing? Do you even know if it would be worth moving things? What is the opportunity cost to moving? What is the cost if you're wrong? As much as I'd love to agree with the pathos response to these things, its better to see and wait than to kneejerk react to things.

Silhouette 13y ago

The sooner the US gets marginalized and put on the shelf internationally FWIW, I certainly wouldn't go that far. However, I would prefer to see the administration of the US promoting more equal partnerships with other nations, rather than arrogantly presuming that they are somehow automatically qualified to lead the world in every field of human endeavour or that they should for some reason be exempt from normal standards of decent behaviour that they expect everyone else to follow.