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I'm a peaceful person, but this issue has been simmering in my head for years, and I find myself actually looking forward to some kind of meaningful conflict. I

by b6 13y ago

I'm a peaceful person, but this issue has been simmering in my head for years, and I find myself actually looking forward to some kind of meaningful conflict. I'm sick, sick, sick to death of the president issuing denials while they keep building more and more infrastructure against humanity. I think the article is right, that it'll get worse from here, and in a way, I'm glad.

rurounijones 13y ago
"Infrastructure Against Humanity"... That is a really really nice term for it. Also very memorable, I shall be appropriating this term for future use.
- pvdm 13y ago
  Turnkey tyranny is the other.
  - Andrenid 13y ago
    Interesting that TurnkeyTyranny.com redirects to an article about the NSA issue on the Guardian.
- onedev 13y ago
  IAH (Infra Against Humanity) Nice, memorable, and accurate. Let's make it an official euphamism.
  - deleted 13y ago
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fargolime 13y ago
"Looking forward to conflict" comment auto-logged, reference #391Z328. Report to the proper authorities within 24 hours for interrogation. You've been auto-added to the no-fly list. That's likely what will happen from here, because only a small percentage of American voters care about this issue.
- jebeng 13y ago
  It's people have made these jokes online for as long as I can remember. It's sad that it's even remotely possible now that this might become a reality. And you wouldn't even know it.
  - phryk 13y ago
    Oh, you mean a bit like this? "He found he was unable to print out a boarding pass […] when he approached ticket agents, they were blocked from producing a boarding pass for him without first calling a Secure Flight number at the Department of Homeland Security. […] ticket agents told him he was on a federal watchlist." http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/11/hacker-border-search/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/11/hacker-border-searc... If it's not automated now it will be in a few years.
    - heynk 13y ago
      Or a British individual who was detained and questioned for tweeting "Free this week, for quick gossip/prep before I go and destroy America?" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093796/Emily-Bunting-Leigh-Van-Bryan-UK-tourists-arrested-destroy-America-Twitter-jokes.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093796/Emily-Buntin...
      - phryk 13y ago
        Or the US teen who has been incarcerated for posting stupid rap lyrics on facebook: http://cms.fightforthefuture.org/teenager/ http://cms.fightforthefuture.org/teenager/ Don't mind the petition though, last I heard was that his family was getting him out of jail with him not being indicted for anything. The authorities seemed to get a good amount of public pressure.
- temp453463343 13y ago
  Lol. I think it's telling of how non-serious this whole issue is - when the absolute worst the government can do is make it harder for you to fly.
jamestc 13y ago
You aren't alone. People are organizing protests and preparing letterheads, as they should be, but it all feels just as ineffective as the last time. The ugly truth, as many people know, is that these complaints/protests are built-in to the infrastructure, they're expected and they disrupt absolutely nothing. We need a new conduit for effecting change.
- cabalamat 13y ago
  > We need a new conduit for effecting change. In Europe this conduit is called the Pirate Party. If we are to win this fight, it's one of our best vehicles to do so.
  - icebraining 13y ago
    Unfortunately, there's no one PP. I wish I could vote for the Swedish PP on the EP elections.
  - phryk 13y ago
    At least in Germany a lot of people have become disillusioned by the (german) Pirate Party. They seem to have degraded into a mix of ridiculous infighting and traditional political party stuff. I'd much rather see them to push for just one topic: Getting direct democracy. Right now they are just dispersing all the resources they have (in mind and matter) towards hundreds if not thousands of different topics and don't look like an efficient agent of change at all.
    - PavlovsCat 13y ago
      Yeah, unfortunately. I think the PP proved that there is potential and support for real change; I think they basically got elected on the platform of not being like all those other suits, and I enjoy(ed) that. But of course, that alone is not enough.
    - cabalamat 13y ago
      > At least in Germany a lot of people have become disillusioned by the (german) Pirate Party. In termss of the Hype Cycle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle), they've passed the peak of inflated expectations and are now in the trough of dissillusionment. This state will not last forever. > They seem to have degraded into a mix of ridiculous infighting and traditional political party stuff. They grew too quickly. Digital rights issues aren't going away, and nor are the Pirates. > I'd much rather see them to push for just one topic: Getting direct democracy. No, they need a full range of policies if they are to get people to vote for them. Otherwise, people will say "I agree with you on X, but other policies are more important to me, so I won't be voting for you." > Right now they are just dispersing all the resources they have (in mind and matter) towards hundreds if not thousands of different topics As I pointed out above, this is necessary.
pilif 13y ago
Last time people were looking forward to a meaningful conflict, it plunged the whole world into 4 years of war, followed by another 7. Be careful what you wish for. We need a peaceful solution for this. Vote these people away. Replace them by better people. Educate those who think they have nothing to hide.
- b6 13y ago
  I didn't mean to make it sound as if I want violence. I hate violence. But they've been lying and building weird information weapons for years. We need something other than that to start happening soon.
- TelmoMenezes 13y ago
  The scary thing is this: these people were already voted away. People voted for Obama when he promised the end of warrantless wiretapping, the closing down of Guantanamo, etc. Why should voters believe the next guy who promises these things? It feels hopeless.
  - Mordor 13y ago
    All the more reason to push for Obama's resignation.
    - Amygaz 13y ago
      And to elect who? Someone who most likely voted for that IAH to start with?
      - stcredzero 13y ago
        IAH also happens to be the code for George Bush International Airport.
        oinksoft 13y ago
        Sr. got an airport named after him? Reminds me when they renamed National to Reagan National. I thought Nixon National would be catchier if the bar's that low.
eli_gottlieb 13y ago
Unfortunately, despite all hopes, Americans persistently persist in not revolting against their government. I despair of the Revolution coming any time soon.
- AlexMax 13y ago
  I honestly am far more fearful of what a revolution in the modern USA would look like. The "Good Guys" have no assurances of being on the winning side. Who says we don't end up with a fascist dictatorship or, more realistically, a theocracy?
- fexl 13y ago
  Revolution is one violent gang fighting another violent gang, producing a new boss that's same as the old boss. Instead, seriously consider ways of living and behaving which minimize your contact with and support for all gangs.
  - eli_gottlieb 13y ago
    What gangs? Nobody I even know is involved with gangs or the mafia. Oh, you're an anarchist, aren't you?
    - fexl 13y ago
      By "gang", I mean any organized group of people which systematically initiates force against others, or coerces them with the credible threat of force. What "anarchist"? Nobody I even know is an anarchist.
      - eli_gottlieb 13y ago
        You're a minarcho-proprietarian who considers government to be a gang. Yeah, that's actually worse than an anarchist. At least anarchists don't pretend they're not radicals.
        13y ago
ttrreeww 13y ago
A global ban on US based technology companies, bank on it, it's coming. Remember the US ban on Huawei? Payback is going to be a b*tch
m52go 13y ago
I prefer peace as well, but this needs to get physical for it to get real. Hacker News, The Guardian, The Atlantic, Medium, etc. will never overpower CNN, NBC, et al. TPTB have a lock on the media. Do you recall how they ignored Ron Paul's early victories in the 2012 election? It doesn't matter that he ACTUALLY had a chance early on, because the mainstream media never let it be. Peaceful negotiation cannot take place because the ruling political class is in denial. Meaningful education cannot take place because of a media controlled by TPTB. Not even virality can help either, because virality is fleeting, and eventually the media reverts back to its stupid self. There needs to be something REAL to really move forward. Something physical, lasting, emotional. Something like OWS (mostly peaceful but widespread) combined with the Arab Spring (not peaceful but very emotional). Shit needs to go down, basically, or the majority will never get awoken out of its stupor.

by b6 13y ago

rurounijones 13y ago

"Infrastructure Against Humanity"... That is a really really nice term for it. Also very memorable, I shall be appropriating this term for future use.

pvdm 13y ago
Turnkey tyranny is the other.
- Andrenid 13y ago
  Interesting that TurnkeyTyranny.com redirects to an article about the NSA issue on the Guardian.
onedev 13y ago
IAH (Infra Against Humanity) Nice, memorable, and accurate. Let's make it an official euphamism.
- deleted 13y ago
  [deleted]

fargolime 13y ago

"Looking forward to conflict" comment auto-logged, reference #391Z328. Report to the proper authorities within 24 hours for interrogation. You've been auto-added to the no-fly list. That's likely what will happen from here, because only a small percentage of American voters care about this issue.

jebeng 13y ago
It's people have made these jokes online for as long as I can remember. It's sad that it's even remotely possible now that this might become a reality. And you wouldn't even know it.
- phryk 13y ago
  Oh, you mean a bit like this? "He found he was unable to print out a boarding pass […] when he approached ticket agents, they were blocked from producing a boarding pass for him without first calling a Secure Flight number at the Department of Homeland Security. […] ticket agents told him he was on a federal watchlist." http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/11/hacker-border-search/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/11/hacker-border-searc... If it's not automated now it will be in a few years.
  - heynk 13y ago
    Or a British individual who was detained and questioned for tweeting "Free this week, for quick gossip/prep before I go and destroy America?" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093796/Emily-Bunting-Leigh-Van-Bryan-UK-tourists-arrested-destroy-America-Twitter-jokes.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093796/Emily-Buntin...
    - phryk 13y ago
      Or the US teen who has been incarcerated for posting stupid rap lyrics on facebook: http://cms.fightforthefuture.org/teenager/ http://cms.fightforthefuture.org/teenager/ Don't mind the petition though, last I heard was that his family was getting him out of jail with him not being indicted for anything. The authorities seemed to get a good amount of public pressure.
temp453463343 13y ago
Lol. I think it's telling of how non-serious this whole issue is - when the absolute worst the government can do is make it harder for you to fly.

jamestc 13y ago

You aren't alone. People are organizing protests and preparing letterheads, as they should be, but it all feels just as ineffective as the last time. The ugly truth, as many people know, is that these complaints/protests are built-in to the infrastructure, they're expected and they disrupt absolutely nothing. We need a new conduit for effecting change.

cabalamat 13y ago
> We need a new conduit for effecting change. In Europe this conduit is called the Pirate Party. If we are to win this fight, it's one of our best vehicles to do so.
- icebraining 13y ago
  Unfortunately, there's no one PP. I wish I could vote for the Swedish PP on the EP elections.
- phryk 13y ago
  At least in Germany a lot of people have become disillusioned by the (german) Pirate Party. They seem to have degraded into a mix of ridiculous infighting and traditional political party stuff. I'd much rather see them to push for just one topic: Getting direct democracy. Right now they are just dispersing all the resources they have (in mind and matter) towards hundreds if not thousands of different topics and don't look like an efficient agent of change at all.
  - PavlovsCat 13y ago
    Yeah, unfortunately. I think the PP proved that there is potential and support for real change; I think they basically got elected on the platform of not being like all those other suits, and I enjoy(ed) that. But of course, that alone is not enough.
  - cabalamat 13y ago
    > At least in Germany a lot of people have become disillusioned by the (german) Pirate Party. In termss of the Hype Cycle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle), they've passed the peak of inflated expectations and are now in the trough of dissillusionment. This state will not last forever. > They seem to have degraded into a mix of ridiculous infighting and traditional political party stuff. They grew too quickly. Digital rights issues aren't going away, and nor are the Pirates. > I'd much rather see them to push for just one topic: Getting direct democracy. No, they need a full range of policies if they are to get people to vote for them. Otherwise, people will say "I agree with you on X, but other policies are more important to me, so I won't be voting for you." > Right now they are just dispersing all the resources they have (in mind and matter) towards hundreds if not thousands of different topics As I pointed out above, this is necessary.

pilif 13y ago

Last time people were looking forward to a meaningful conflict, it plunged the whole world into 4 years of war, followed by another 7. Be careful what you wish for. We need a peaceful solution for this. Vote these people away. Replace them by better people. Educate those who think they have nothing to hide.

b6 13y ago
I didn't mean to make it sound as if I want violence. I hate violence. But they've been lying and building weird information weapons for years. We need something other than that to start happening soon.
TelmoMenezes 13y ago
The scary thing is this: these people were already voted away. People voted for Obama when he promised the end of warrantless wiretapping, the closing down of Guantanamo, etc. Why should voters believe the next guy who promises these things? It feels hopeless.
- Mordor 13y ago
  All the more reason to push for Obama's resignation.
  - Amygaz 13y ago
    And to elect who? Someone who most likely voted for that IAH to start with?
    - stcredzero 13y ago
      IAH also happens to be the code for George Bush International Airport.
      - oinksoft 13y ago
        Sr. got an airport named after him? Reminds me when they renamed National to Reagan National. I thought Nixon National would be catchier if the bar's that low.

eli_gottlieb 13y ago

Unfortunately, despite all hopes, Americans persistently persist in not revolting against their government. I despair of the Revolution coming any time soon.

AlexMax 13y ago
I honestly am far more fearful of what a revolution in the modern USA would look like. The "Good Guys" have no assurances of being on the winning side. Who says we don't end up with a fascist dictatorship or, more realistically, a theocracy?
fexl 13y ago
Revolution is one violent gang fighting another violent gang, producing a new boss that's same as the old boss. Instead, seriously consider ways of living and behaving which minimize your contact with and support for all gangs.
- eli_gottlieb 13y ago
  What gangs? Nobody I even know is involved with gangs or the mafia. Oh, you're an anarchist, aren't you?
  - fexl 13y ago
    By "gang", I mean any organized group of people which systematically initiates force against others, or coerces them with the credible threat of force. What "anarchist"? Nobody I even know is an anarchist.
    - eli_gottlieb 13y ago
      You're a minarcho-proprietarian who considers government to be a gang. Yeah, that's actually worse than an anarchist. At least anarchists don't pretend they're not radicals.
      - 13y ago

ttrreeww 13y ago

A global ban on US based technology companies, bank on it, it's coming. Remember the US ban on Huawei? Payback is going to be a b*tch

m52go 13y ago

I prefer peace as well, but this needs to get physical for it to get real. Hacker News, The Guardian, The Atlantic, Medium, etc. will never overpower CNN, NBC, et al. TPTB have a lock on the media. Do you recall how they ignored Ron Paul's early victories in the 2012 election? It doesn't matter that he ACTUALLY had a chance early on, because the mainstream media never let it be. Peaceful negotiation cannot take place because the ruling political class is in denial. Meaningful education cannot take place because of a media controlled by TPTB. Not even virality can help either, because virality is fleeting, and eventually the media reverts back to its stupid self. There needs to be something REAL to really move forward. Something physical, lasting, emotional. Something like OWS (mostly peaceful but widespread) combined with the Arab Spring (not peaceful but very emotional). Shit needs to go down, basically, or the majority will never get awoken out of its stupor.