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This is actually old news, but what is interesting is that recently Finlands gov. approved plans to layout new cable to the sea, so that internet traffic can be

by tommis 13y ago

This is actually old news, but what is interesting is that recently Finlands gov. approved plans to layout new cable to the sea, so that internet traffic can be routed from Finland to Germany, bypassing Sweden all together... http://yle.fi/uutiset/suomi_haluaa_oman_tietoliikennereitin_eurooppaan/6559072 http://yle.fi/uutiset/suomi_haluaa_oman_tietoliikennereitin_... Picture from the article shows how the connection towards Europe/US goes trough Germany and the connections towards Asia will be directed trough nothern part of Finland, trough Norway - instead of Sweden: http://yle.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/article6559090.ece/ALTERNATES/w580h326/koillisv%C3%A4yl%C3%A4+tietoliikennekaapeli.jpg http://yle.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/article6559090.ece/ALTERNATES/...

gasull 13y ago
Would it be feasible to just encrypt the traffic?
- notimetorelax 13y ago
  I don't know how much it would cost in latency, but I think one of the concerns is that all traffic is stored for future decryption.
- jevinskie 13y ago
  The underwater SEA-ME-WE 4 cable between Europe and India has a capacity of 1.28 Tbits/s. I am unsure about the current capacity. I think it would be possible to encrypt at those line rates, given enough parallelism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEA-ME-WE_4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEA-ME-WE_4
Sami_Lehtinen 13y ago
I'm sure that Germany is also running their own more or less secret intelligence operations. Great if we (Finland) get more international traffic, so we can wiretap it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Intelligence_Research_Establishment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Intelligence_Research_...
- Sami_Lehtinen 13y ago
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesnachrichtendienst http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesnachrichtendienst "It depends heavily on wiretapping and electronic surveillance of international communications."
tezza 13y ago
Strange blip then. In Finland: * Your Tax Return is public http://taxjustice.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/paying-taxes-is-public-in-finland.html http://taxjustice.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/paying-taxes-is-pub... * Random people can find out your telephone number from your car number plate. I met a Finnish girl who got called on her mobile phones while driving... being asked out on a date by the guy driving behind her (not me LoL). They also can find your home address ( spooky ) * Driving fines are proportional to your income... earn more and your speeding fine is more
- nawitus 13y ago
  "Your Tax Return is public" That has always been pretty odd to me. Our laws seem to have a decent focus on privacy, but in this case there was a compromise between transparency (perhaps our political history can explain why income is public information). * Random people can find out your telephone number from your car number plate. I met a Finnish girl who got called on her mobile phones while driving... being asked out on a date by the guy driving behind her (not me LoL). They also can find your home address Yes, but you can prevent that from happening by notifying Trafi. * Driving fines are proportional to your income... earn more and your speeding fine is more Not sure why you mention this. Proportional fines make sense if the point of fines is deterrence.
  - tezza 13y ago
    > * Driving fines are proportional to your income... earn more and your speeding fine is more > Not sure why you mention this. Proportional fines make sense if the point of fines is deterrence. Just as a curio...

by tommis 13y ago

gasull 13y ago

Would it be feasible to just encrypt the traffic?

notimetorelax 13y ago
I don't know how much it would cost in latency, but I think one of the concerns is that all traffic is stored for future decryption.
jevinskie 13y ago
The underwater SEA-ME-WE 4 cable between Europe and India has a capacity of 1.28 Tbits/s. I am unsure about the current capacity. I think it would be possible to encrypt at those line rates, given enough parallelism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEA-ME-WE_4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEA-ME-WE_4

Sami_Lehtinen 13y ago

I'm sure that Germany is also running their own more or less secret intelligence operations. Great if we (Finland) get more international traffic, so we can wiretap it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Intelligence_Research_Establishment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Intelligence_Research_...

Sami_Lehtinen 13y ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesnachrichtendienst http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesnachrichtendienst "It depends heavily on wiretapping and electronic surveillance of international communications."

tezza 13y ago

Strange blip then. In Finland: * Your Tax Return is public http://taxjustice.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/paying-taxes-is-public-in-finland.html http://taxjustice.blogspot.co.uk/2009/07/paying-taxes-is-pub... * Random people can find out your telephone number from your car number plate. I met a Finnish girl who got called on her mobile phones while driving... being asked out on a date by the guy driving behind her (not me LoL). They also can find your home address ( spooky ) * Driving fines are proportional to your income... earn more and your speeding fine is more

nawitus 13y ago
"Your Tax Return is public" That has always been pretty odd to me. Our laws seem to have a decent focus on privacy, but in this case there was a compromise between transparency (perhaps our political history can explain why income is public information). * Random people can find out your telephone number from your car number plate. I met a Finnish girl who got called on her mobile phones while driving... being asked out on a date by the guy driving behind her (not me LoL). They also can find your home address Yes, but you can prevent that from happening by notifying Trafi. * Driving fines are proportional to your income... earn more and your speeding fine is more Not sure why you mention this. Proportional fines make sense if the point of fines is deterrence.
- tezza 13y ago
  > * Driving fines are proportional to your income... earn more and your speeding fine is more > Not sure why you mention this. Proportional fines make sense if the point of fines is deterrence. Just as a curio...