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Given Snowden's background in intel and the information exposed, I think he calculated his decision correctly. Even though other countries (like Iceland) are of

Given Snowden's background in intel and the information exposed, I think he calculated his decision correctly. Even though other countries (like Iceland) are offering asylum, I really do believe Snowden choose a formidable country that opposes western views...anyone recall Hilary Clinton addressing China's firewall, or Google pulling out?

einhverfr 13y ago
Additionally consider this. The ball is now in the court of the US Government. They can ask for extradition or they can wait. If they ask for extradition, what is China's next move? The logical one is to approach Snowden and ask him to make a deal, to exchange classified information in exchange for asylum. That puts the ball back in Snowden's court and he has three options: 1. Let the US know he has had the offer and ask them to step down before he has to take it. 2. Take the Chinese up on the offer. 3. Reject the Chinese offer, turn himself in, and return to the US in shackles specifying he did not sell out his country. If he can manage to do that publicly, that might also be a great great gamble that might turn out in his favor. The more I think about it, the more I am impressed with his choice.
- quackerhacker 13y ago
  The Guy Fawkes mask that anonymous uses illustrates what? - treason (hope that's not too cryptic) I strongly agree with you that I too am impressed with each calculated decision he has taken...even down to the press release. The press release is also key in his decision to reveal him self. By doing so, how suspicious would it be if he "committed suicide." An example of how the press can protect him, you need not look farther than Julian Assange. And even when it comes to the initial press release, the only reason I believe that it was revealed in the order that it did was for competition. He seeked the Guardian (in England), and compelled the Post (in the US) to publish. In media, it's all about being first, royalties, and copyrights. Check the link below. I'd have to say, his execution of his plan, was very well calculated. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5853496 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5853496
  - einhverfr 13y ago
    > The Guy Fawkes mask that anonymous uses illustrates what? - treason (hope that's not too cryptic) First 100% agreed with your points. As a tangent. BTW, if I ever start a hacktivist group I will use a medieval split tally stick for a logo. Why? In 1834, the humble tally stick accomplished what Guy Fawkes was unable to. Look up "1834 parliament tally stick" to see what I mean.
    - quackerhacker 13y ago
      Reminds me of the plot in V for Vendetta. I'm sure we'll hear from some of Anonymous this week, but in regard to hacktivism...just remember, the nail that sticks out gets hammered. In memory of LulzSec: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ
      - einhverfr 13y ago
        The great irony though was that what caused the Great Fire was burning tally sticks that were the government's half of tax receipts. There's something deliciously ironic about trying to dispose of tax receipts causing both houses of parliament to be burned to the ground. Never, never underestimate the humble tally stick ;-)

einhverfr 13y ago

Additionally consider this. The ball is now in the court of the US Government. They can ask for extradition or they can wait. If they ask for extradition, what is China's next move? The logical one is to approach Snowden and ask him to make a deal, to exchange classified information in exchange for asylum. That puts the ball back in Snowden's court and he has three options: 1. Let the US know he has had the offer and ask them to step down before he has to take it. 2. Take the Chinese up on the offer. 3. Reject the Chinese offer, turn himself in, and return to the US in shackles specifying he did not sell out his country. If he can manage to do that publicly, that might also be a great great gamble that might turn out in his favor. The more I think about it, the more I am impressed with his choice.

quackerhacker 13y ago
The Guy Fawkes mask that anonymous uses illustrates what? - treason (hope that's not too cryptic) I strongly agree with you that I too am impressed with each calculated decision he has taken...even down to the press release. The press release is also key in his decision to reveal him self. By doing so, how suspicious would it be if he "committed suicide." An example of how the press can protect him, you need not look farther than Julian Assange. And even when it comes to the initial press release, the only reason I believe that it was revealed in the order that it did was for competition. He seeked the Guardian (in England), and compelled the Post (in the US) to publish. In media, it's all about being first, royalties, and copyrights. Check the link below. I'd have to say, his execution of his plan, was very well calculated. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5853496 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5853496
- einhverfr 13y ago
  > The Guy Fawkes mask that anonymous uses illustrates what? - treason (hope that's not too cryptic) First 100% agreed with your points. As a tangent. BTW, if I ever start a hacktivist group I will use a medieval split tally stick for a logo. Why? In 1834, the humble tally stick accomplished what Guy Fawkes was unable to. Look up "1834 parliament tally stick" to see what I mean.
  - quackerhacker 13y ago
    Reminds me of the plot in V for Vendetta. I'm sure we'll hear from some of Anonymous this week, but in regard to hacktivism...just remember, the nail that sticks out gets hammered. In memory of LulzSec: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ
    - einhverfr 13y ago
      The great irony though was that what caused the Great Fire was burning tally sticks that were the government's half of tax receipts. There's something deliciously ironic about trying to dispose of tax receipts causing both houses of parliament to be burned to the ground. Never, never underestimate the humble tally stick ;-)