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Traffic cameras bring Ohio town to screeching halt

8 points by electic 13y ago

peatmoss 13y ago
Wait, people are just angry that they can't speed? Even cheating by a few miles an hour drastically decreases the chances that someone you strike will survive (http://humantransport.org/sidewalks/SpeedKills.htm http://humantransport.org/sidewalks/SpeedKills.htm). Maybe nobody walks there...
- HarryHirsch 13y ago
  The fact that part of the fines goes either to the municipality that installed the things or their manufacturer puts them in a conflict of interest, and that is something that must be avoided at all costs. It's not enough that the law is clean, it must also appear clean. Every lawyer does that. If you have ever called one about this conflict or that the very first question that they ask who you have a conflict with. If they have dealings with that person they will tell you that they cannot take your business. I don't understand why cities think they are exempt.
  - lessigspoint 13y ago
    It's not enough that the law is clean, it must also appear clean. I'm glad you specifically pointed that out. Lessig makes a similar argument in Republic, Lost[1] where he urges people to change how they ask questions about seemingly illogical congressional decisions. Specifically Not: Did the contributions and lobbying buy this apparently inconsistent result? Instead: Do the contributions and lobbying make it harder to believe that this is a principled or consistent or sensible result? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic%2C_Lost https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic%2C_Lost
z3niMAGiNE 13y ago
They put similar cameras up in the Phoenix area. In Arizona, there is a law that you have to be served with a ticket or it isn't valid; so when people received their tickets they just threw them away. Process servers would eventually come by to serve you but if you didn't answer the door they couldn't just leave them. Eventually serving the tickets became such a burden that they took the cameras down.
NameNickHN 13y ago
There are apps for this. Just saying.

8 points by electic 13y ago

Wait, people are just angry that they can't speed? Even cheating by a few miles an hour drastically decreases the chances that someone you strike will survive (http://humantransport.org/sidewalks/SpeedKills.htm http://humantransport.org/sidewalks/SpeedKills.htm). Maybe nobody walks there...

HarryHirsch 13y ago
The fact that part of the fines goes either to the municipality that installed the things or their manufacturer puts them in a conflict of interest, and that is something that must be avoided at all costs. It's not enough that the law is clean, it must also appear clean. Every lawyer does that. If you have ever called one about this conflict or that the very first question that they ask who you have a conflict with. If they have dealings with that person they will tell you that they cannot take your business. I don't understand why cities think they are exempt.
- lessigspoint 13y ago
  It's not enough that the law is clean, it must also appear clean. I'm glad you specifically pointed that out. Lessig makes a similar argument in Republic, Lost[1] where he urges people to change how they ask questions about seemingly illogical congressional decisions. Specifically Not: Did the contributions and lobbying buy this apparently inconsistent result? Instead: Do the contributions and lobbying make it harder to believe that this is a principled or consistent or sensible result? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic%2C_Lost https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic%2C_Lost

z3niMAGiNE 13y ago

They put similar cameras up in the Phoenix area. In Arizona, there is a law that you have to be served with a ticket or it isn't valid; so when people received their tickets they just threw them away. Process servers would eventually come by to serve you but if you didn't answer the door they couldn't just leave them. Eventually serving the tickets became such a burden that they took the cameras down.

NameNickHN 13y ago

There are apps for this. Just saying.