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You find the jihadis "unreasonable". Look, this is the list of things you could find "unreasonable": (a) the jihadi position on God (b) the jihadi position o
by ucee054 13y ago
You find the jihadis "unreasonable".
Look, this is the list of things you could find "unreasonable":
(a) the jihadi position on God
(b) the jihadi position on US policy
(c) the jihadi method to affect change - violence
Lets deal with them one by one.
(a) is loony but pretty much irrelevant. You wouldn't feel any better if they converted to Shintoism and continued the jihad, would you?
(b) US policy is well studied so you can't really deny its lousiness. Example references:
http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/0452287081 http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/...
http://www.amazon.com/Power-Systems-Conversations-Democratic-Challenges/dp/0805096159/ref=la_B000AP81EC_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1370798901&sr=1-2 http://www.amazon.com/Power-Systems-Conversations-Democratic...
http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501 http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/037...
http://goingtotehran.com/ http://goingtotehran.com/
(c) you can only condemn the violence if you would not do the same thing in their place.
To me, that means you should be able to sell them a peaceful method as being more effective than jihad. Well, we have a historical record.
The peaceful, liberal, pro-democratic reformers in the middle east seem to have gotten defeated and tortured by the CIA and their local satraps. Like what happened to my family.
On the other hand Jihad seems to be winning in Lebanon, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia and so on.
http://zenhuber.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/preview-bin-laden-dead-and-loving-it.html http://zenhuber.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/preview-bin-laden-dea...
So you don't have a very strong case.
- tome 13y agoI'm sorry to hear about your family. It wasn't my intention to make this debate personal. What were your family working towards?
- ucee054 13y agoThe relative I was thinking of was an activist for constitutional democracy and against absolute monarchy. Don't know what happened to him in prison; he doesn't talk about it.
- tome 13y agoI think I know what country you're talking about, and I don't deny that the western powers have a case to answer.