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"There's actually evidence to support that eating fruit is quite detrimental to your health.." If there is actual evidence, please cite it. I've never heard fr

"There's actually evidence to support that eating fruit is quite detrimental to your health.." If there is actual evidence, please cite it. I've never heard fruit proclaimed as bad for you. In fact, every major healthly eating initiative or campiagn (whether from governments, the World Health Organisation, or NGOs) always recommend consuming more fruit and vegetables as part of a healthy diet. The fructose in fruit is not the same as high fructose corn syrup found in many processed foods. Yes, fruit can contribute to acid erosion on teeth, but this is also dependent on the type of fruit, the quantity you eat and when you eat it (e.g. eating fruit with a meal can lessen the impact of the sugar). Eating fresh fruit is always preferable to dried fruit or fruit juices.

nitrogen 13y ago
Do you have any evidence for your claim that fructose in fruit is different from fructose in corn? Absent such evidence, you're just repeating the same magical nutrition claims this thread is about, and name dropping the WHO does nothing to change that. Here's an interview with a UCSF professor who claims fructose in all its forms is a problem: http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/01/11/2013/the-fallacies-of-fat.html http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/01/11/2013/the-fallacie... Also http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/01/11/2013/the-fallacies-of-fat.html http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/01/11/2013/the-fallacie...
- 7Figures2Commas 13y ago
  Please note that while Professor Lustig's claims about the wholly toxic nature of fructose are not accepted as fact (see http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20047139 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20047139 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3411192/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3411192/ for a couple of examples), I think you're still miscategorizing his claims. Please see: http://www.crsociety.org/index.php?/topic/291-dr-lustig-on-fruit-fructose/ http://www.crsociety.org/index.php?/topic/291-dr-lustig-on-f... "I think that fruit is so much better a choice than virtually anything else in the store -- particularly any processed food -- that I don't want to come down on it. But I would say, fruit is one of those things where I would say, everything in moderation." This sort of falls into the "duh" category. Just as a sensible person wouldn't consume a ton of saturated fats in the name of eating a high protein diet, a sensible person is not going to be eating 20 bananas and five pounds of strawberries a day in the name of getting enough fruit. As for the professor's claim that exercise isn't effective for weight loss, I think laypeople should be aware of the tendency for academics to speak in macro terms. The vast majority of people I have met who are overweight and have tried unsuccessfully to lose weight a) do not have as healthy a diet as they believe they do (far too many processed foods) and b) if they exercise and exercise consistently (a big if), do not exercise long enough and intensely enough to burn fat and become conditioned. Anecdotal? Yes, but instead of blaming specific foods and claiming that exercise isn't effective, let's just be honest: most people won't lose weight because they can't commit to major changes in their lifestyle.
  - evan_ 13y ago
    I think it's funny that you're citing all of these studies and generally being evidence-based and rational and then you casually mention that "processed food" makes people fat.
    - TeMPOraL 13y ago
      Well this whole discussion, especially debunking citations with citations, pretty much is a big evidence in favour of the original thesis - we don't know for sure pretty much anything about nutrition.
    - 7Figures2Commas 13y ago
      I didn't write that. I wrote that in my own experience, most of the people who are overweight who try unsuccessfully to lose weight a) don't have as healthy a diet as they'd like to believe and b) don't exercise long enough and intensely enough if they work out at all. What is a "healthy diet"? I don't believe there's a one-size-fits-all answer, but I mentioned processed foods because at the highest level, there is plenty of evidence that processed foods are problematic when consumed in the quantities they are being consumed in: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2897733/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2897733/ http://news.yale.edu/2013/03/06/yale-researchers-identify-salt-trigger-autoimmune-diseases http://news.yale.edu/2013/03/06/yale-researchers-identify-sa... http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/63 http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/63 http://www.diabetes.org/news-research/research/access-diabetes-research/chemicals-in-processed-foods.html http://www.diabetes.org/news-research/research/access-diabet... http://jn.nutrition.org/content/139/10/1950 http://jn.nutrition.org/content/139/10/1950 http://wholegrainscouncil.org/whole-grains-101/health-studies-on-whole-grains http://wholegrainscouncil.org/whole-grains-101/health-studie... http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/02/120210110038.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/02/120210110038.ht...

nitrogen 13y ago

Do you have any evidence for your claim that fructose in fruit is different from fructose in corn? Absent such evidence, you're just repeating the same magical nutrition claims this thread is about, and name dropping the WHO does nothing to change that. Here's an interview with a UCSF professor who claims fructose in all its forms is a problem: http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/01/11/2013/the-fallacies-of-fat.html http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/01/11/2013/the-fallacie... Also http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/01/11/2013/the-fallacies-of-fat.html http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/01/11/2013/the-fallacie...

7Figures2Commas 13y ago
Please note that while Professor Lustig's claims about the wholly toxic nature of fructose are not accepted as fact (see http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20047139 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20047139 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3411192/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3411192/ for a couple of examples), I think you're still miscategorizing his claims. Please see: http://www.crsociety.org/index.php?/topic/291-dr-lustig-on-fruit-fructose/ http://www.crsociety.org/index.php?/topic/291-dr-lustig-on-f... "I think that fruit is so much better a choice than virtually anything else in the store -- particularly any processed food -- that I don't want to come down on it. But I would say, fruit is one of those things where I would say, everything in moderation." This sort of falls into the "duh" category. Just as a sensible person wouldn't consume a ton of saturated fats in the name of eating a high protein diet, a sensible person is not going to be eating 20 bananas and five pounds of strawberries a day in the name of getting enough fruit. As for the professor's claim that exercise isn't effective for weight loss, I think laypeople should be aware of the tendency for academics to speak in macro terms. The vast majority of people I have met who are overweight and have tried unsuccessfully to lose weight a) do not have as healthy a diet as they believe they do (far too many processed foods) and b) if they exercise and exercise consistently (a big if), do not exercise long enough and intensely enough to burn fat and become conditioned. Anecdotal? Yes, but instead of blaming specific foods and claiming that exercise isn't effective, let's just be honest: most people won't lose weight because they can't commit to major changes in their lifestyle.
- evan_ 13y ago
  I think it's funny that you're citing all of these studies and generally being evidence-based and rational and then you casually mention that "processed food" makes people fat.
  - TeMPOraL 13y ago
    Well this whole discussion, especially debunking citations with citations, pretty much is a big evidence in favour of the original thesis - we don't know for sure pretty much anything about nutrition.
  - 7Figures2Commas 13y ago
    I didn't write that. I wrote that in my own experience, most of the people who are overweight who try unsuccessfully to lose weight a) don't have as healthy a diet as they'd like to believe and b) don't exercise long enough and intensely enough if they work out at all. What is a "healthy diet"? I don't believe there's a one-size-fits-all answer, but I mentioned processed foods because at the highest level, there is plenty of evidence that processed foods are problematic when consumed in the quantities they are being consumed in: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2897733/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2897733/ http://news.yale.edu/2013/03/06/yale-researchers-identify-salt-trigger-autoimmune-diseases http://news.yale.edu/2013/03/06/yale-researchers-identify-sa... http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/63 http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/63 http://www.diabetes.org/news-research/research/access-diabetes-research/chemicals-in-processed-foods.html http://www.diabetes.org/news-research/research/access-diabet... http://jn.nutrition.org/content/139/10/1950 http://jn.nutrition.org/content/139/10/1950 http://wholegrainscouncil.org/whole-grains-101/health-studies-on-whole-grains http://wholegrainscouncil.org/whole-grains-101/health-studie... http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/02/120210110038.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/02/120210110038.ht...