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Obligatory reading: The Eternal Value of Privacy http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2006/05/70886 http://www.wired.com/politics/

by nodata 13y ago

Obligatory reading: The Eternal Value of Privacy http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2006/05/70886 http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securityma... Reddit comment from this week: http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1fv4r6/i_believe_the_government_should_be_allowed_to/caeb3pl http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1fv4r6/i_belie...

tripzilch 13y ago
> Reddit comment from this week: http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1fv4r6/i_believe_the_government_should_be_allowed_to/caeb3pl http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1fv4r6/i_belie... Wow, probably the best story/argument against "I've got nothing to hide" I've read so far. I posted a link to an article with a convenient list of counter arguments yesterday[0], but this one, in the sense of direct, believable danger easily surpasses those (for me, at least). That story is actually happening. Various parts of it have already happened in all sorts of civilized countries (US, UK, NL, DE ...), infiltration of completely innocent protest and activist groups, blackmail, he didn't mention agent provocateurs but things invariably get real messy really quick when the agency gets pressed for results of these expensive operations and the activists are in fact quite innocent, just exercising their rights to have meetings and organising protests, nothing more. And then everyone and their friends & family gets on a list. The torturing, maybe not yet. Not in my country as far as I know. But that is actually going on, on large scale, in countries that seem otherwise quite civilized. And it is happening to the people that had "nothing to hide" just as much. Probably even moreso because they do not realize what the stakes really are until it's too late to hide. [0] http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461 http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127...
- notdrunkatall 13y ago
  Yes, I wish that the 'nothing to hide' fools would all read this.

by nodata 13y ago

tripzilch 13y ago

> Reddit comment from this week: http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1fv4r6/i_believe_the_government_should_be_allowed_to/caeb3pl http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1fv4r6/i_belie... Wow, probably the best story/argument against "I've got nothing to hide" I've read so far. I posted a link to an article with a convenient list of counter arguments yesterday[0], but this one, in the sense of direct, believable danger easily surpasses those (for me, at least). That story is actually happening. Various parts of it have already happened in all sorts of civilized countries (US, UK, NL, DE ...), infiltration of completely innocent protest and activist groups, blackmail, he didn't mention agent provocateurs but things invariably get real messy really quick when the agency gets pressed for results of these expensive operations and the activists are in fact quite innocent, just exercising their rights to have meetings and organising protests, nothing more. And then everyone and their friends & family gets on a list. The torturing, maybe not yet. Not in my country as far as I know. But that is actually going on, on large scale, in countries that seem otherwise quite civilized. And it is happening to the people that had "nothing to hide" just as much. Probably even moreso because they do not realize what the stakes really are until it's too late to hide. [0] http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461 http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127...

notdrunkatall 13y ago
Yes, I wish that the 'nothing to hide' fools would all read this.