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I have plenty to hide. I'm only human.

by iMark 13y ago

miguelrochefort 13y ago
You don't have to hide anything. You simply choose to, which is sad.
- mantas 13y ago
  Why sad?
  - miguelrochefort 13y ago
    It is sad that you (and most people here) prefer to live in a society where it's socially acceptable to hide who you truly are based on irrational fear of judgement, rather than be open and benefit from the improved communication which publicity offers. We learned to accept and tolerate most directly noticeable features of people. Maybe you don't want to communicate your skin color, your height, your gender or your location when walking down the street, but you still do and probably don't really care about it. It's socially accepted to communicate these features anyway. How are more "private" information about you any different? After all, walking "naked" on a nudist beach is also normal and socially acceptable. Tolerance has no limits. All it requires is some adaptation time. One day, people will be open about their sexuality, religion, political ideologies and feelings, and the world will be a better place.
    - altero 13y ago
      > Tolerance has no limits. All it requires is some adaptation time. One day, people will be open about their sexuality, religion, political ideologies and feelings, and the world will be a better place. Or some extremist party wins election and this information becomes excellent hit-list for persecution. It already happened to jews a few decades ago.
      - miguelrochefort 13y ago
        I won't ever regret saying what I think even if it means some extremist party prosecute me for this. It's better to live an honest life than letting them win by remaining silent. Let's say some crazy guy kill people that help others. Would you, as a person that help others, regret helping them because it resulted into your death? Nope.
        altero 13y ago
        Good for you. For me this ended when I said at school that global warming is caused by solar activity and not by humans.
        deleted 13y ago
        [deleted]
    - tome 13y ago
      It's not fear of judgement. It's fear of abuse by potentially tyrannical government.
      - miguelrochefort 13y ago
        Then your problem is the government. Privacy doesn't make it disappear.
        tome 13y ago
        Americans seem to prefer to limit the government so they don't have to trust them. Other western nations seem more content to foster a notion of responsibility within government and leave it at that. I don't know which is better, but I think I prefer living under the latter.
    - EliRivers 13y ago
      There's nothing irrational about fear of judgement. I do things that are completely legal that, if many other people knew I did them, would cause them to treat me differently, to my detriment. You seem to be saying that I shouldn't hide them. My choice is to stop doing something I like doing, or accept that people will judge me and I will be treated a little worse. Why? Why should I have to do that? Why can't I keep going as I am? It makes me happier, it makes everyone else happier. What's so fucking wonderful about me being less happy? People without secrets are perpetually putting on a show; removing privacy won't cause everyone to suddenly accept everyone's differences. You have some kind of utopian fantasy in which if everyone knows everything about everyone else, the world magically becomes a better place. It's not true. Tolerance has no limits? Have you met humans? How about that tribe where a boy becomes a man by being anally raped by other men? Or the neighbouring tribe where he becomes a man by orally servicing other men? There are cultures and societies in the world where anally raping children is simply not tolerated. How about gender selection? Killing a healthy child a few hours old because you wanted the other sex? The society I live in has a very low tolerance for drowning children in a bucket. Extreme examples, yes, but making it public won't suddenly make everyone tolerate it, and won't make everyone agree "oh, well they're different, it's okay for them to be like that". We are different. Differences lead to disagreement and conflict. Privacy, amongst other things, gives everyone a means to shield their differences; be it something legal that society disapproves of, or something illegal that everyone does anyway, or something that's illegal in other cultures, or just odd. It's a necessary part of living in this world without either spending our time killing each other, or ending up a bland monoculture in which nobody ever steps outside the lines of society's accepted behaviour.
      - miguelrochefort 13y ago
        Is there a limit to hiding? Should we wear mask all the time, simply to avoid judgement? Why is it that we don't try to hide what is readily visible? Don't you think that it's because readily visible things are easier to accept and tolerate? Privacy makes people think they're alone with their problems. If no one talk about theirs, I guess it's because they don't have any. Should we simply rely on stats to know we're not alone without knowing who is like us? Is anonymity the actual solution to privacy?
- popee 13y ago
  So why is NSA hiding anything from public?
  - miguelrochefort 13y ago
    Because that's what they do. By funding them with your taxes, you accept their "protection" and their opacity. If you don't like what they do, which is my case, fight them. Don't hide behind privacy.
- EliRivers 13y ago
  What's the URL for the live feed from your bedroom?
  - miguelrochefort 13y ago
    Read my reply to the first comment (the one asking for "personal" information).
    - EliRivers 13y ago
      So you want to choose what rules apply to you in any given context? Or is it just that you're happy to be told by the government what the rules are for each context?
      - miguelrochefort 13y ago
        I want society to be more open. People hide who they are because other people hide who they are. Being open in a society where everybody else only show their good side is detrimental to me. It gives a false image of reality. I despise the government.
        bad_user 13y ago
        > People hide who they are because other people hide who they are. NO dude, people hide who they are because other people don't like who they are or because other people may wrongly interpret who they are without the proper context, a fact that is known throughout history to have lead to discrimination, marginalization and even genocide when taken to the extreme.
  - Rovanion 13y ago
    Microsoft has it.

I have plenty to hide. I'm only human.

by iMark 13y ago

I have plenty to hide. I'm only human.

miguelrochefort 13y ago

You don't have to hide anything. You simply choose to, which is sad.

mantas 13y ago
Why sad?
- miguelrochefort 13y ago
  It is sad that you (and most people here) prefer to live in a society where it's socially acceptable to hide who you truly are based on irrational fear of judgement, rather than be open and benefit from the improved communication which publicity offers. We learned to accept and tolerate most directly noticeable features of people. Maybe you don't want to communicate your skin color, your height, your gender or your location when walking down the street, but you still do and probably don't really care about it. It's socially accepted to communicate these features anyway. How are more "private" information about you any different? After all, walking "naked" on a nudist beach is also normal and socially acceptable. Tolerance has no limits. All it requires is some adaptation time. One day, people will be open about their sexuality, religion, political ideologies and feelings, and the world will be a better place.
  - altero 13y ago
    > Tolerance has no limits. All it requires is some adaptation time. One day, people will be open about their sexuality, religion, political ideologies and feelings, and the world will be a better place. Or some extremist party wins election and this information becomes excellent hit-list for persecution. It already happened to jews a few decades ago.
    - miguelrochefort 13y ago
      I won't ever regret saying what I think even if it means some extremist party prosecute me for this. It's better to live an honest life than letting them win by remaining silent. Let's say some crazy guy kill people that help others. Would you, as a person that help others, regret helping them because it resulted into your death? Nope.
      - altero 13y ago
        Good for you. For me this ended when I said at school that global warming is caused by solar activity and not by humans.
      - deleted 13y ago
        [deleted]
  - tome 13y ago
    It's not fear of judgement. It's fear of abuse by potentially tyrannical government.
    - miguelrochefort 13y ago
      Then your problem is the government. Privacy doesn't make it disappear.
      - tome 13y ago
        Americans seem to prefer to limit the government so they don't have to trust them. Other western nations seem more content to foster a notion of responsibility within government and leave it at that. I don't know which is better, but I think I prefer living under the latter.
  - EliRivers 13y ago
    There's nothing irrational about fear of judgement. I do things that are completely legal that, if many other people knew I did them, would cause them to treat me differently, to my detriment. You seem to be saying that I shouldn't hide them. My choice is to stop doing something I like doing, or accept that people will judge me and I will be treated a little worse. Why? Why should I have to do that? Why can't I keep going as I am? It makes me happier, it makes everyone else happier. What's so fucking wonderful about me being less happy? People without secrets are perpetually putting on a show; removing privacy won't cause everyone to suddenly accept everyone's differences. You have some kind of utopian fantasy in which if everyone knows everything about everyone else, the world magically becomes a better place. It's not true. Tolerance has no limits? Have you met humans? How about that tribe where a boy becomes a man by being anally raped by other men? Or the neighbouring tribe where he becomes a man by orally servicing other men? There are cultures and societies in the world where anally raping children is simply not tolerated. How about gender selection? Killing a healthy child a few hours old because you wanted the other sex? The society I live in has a very low tolerance for drowning children in a bucket. Extreme examples, yes, but making it public won't suddenly make everyone tolerate it, and won't make everyone agree "oh, well they're different, it's okay for them to be like that". We are different. Differences lead to disagreement and conflict. Privacy, amongst other things, gives everyone a means to shield their differences; be it something legal that society disapproves of, or something illegal that everyone does anyway, or something that's illegal in other cultures, or just odd. It's a necessary part of living in this world without either spending our time killing each other, or ending up a bland monoculture in which nobody ever steps outside the lines of society's accepted behaviour.
    - miguelrochefort 13y ago
      Is there a limit to hiding? Should we wear mask all the time, simply to avoid judgement? Why is it that we don't try to hide what is readily visible? Don't you think that it's because readily visible things are easier to accept and tolerate? Privacy makes people think they're alone with their problems. If no one talk about theirs, I guess it's because they don't have any. Should we simply rely on stats to know we're not alone without knowing who is like us? Is anonymity the actual solution to privacy?
popee 13y ago
So why is NSA hiding anything from public?
- miguelrochefort 13y ago
  Because that's what they do. By funding them with your taxes, you accept their "protection" and their opacity. If you don't like what they do, which is my case, fight them. Don't hide behind privacy.
EliRivers 13y ago
What's the URL for the live feed from your bedroom?
- miguelrochefort 13y ago
  Read my reply to the first comment (the one asking for "personal" information).
  - EliRivers 13y ago
    So you want to choose what rules apply to you in any given context? Or is it just that you're happy to be told by the government what the rules are for each context?
    - miguelrochefort 13y ago
      I want society to be more open. People hide who they are because other people hide who they are. Being open in a society where everybody else only show their good side is detrimental to me. It gives a false image of reality. I despise the government.
      - bad_user 13y ago
        > People hide who they are because other people hide who they are. NO dude, people hide who they are because other people don't like who they are or because other people may wrongly interpret who they are without the proper context, a fact that is known throughout history to have lead to discrimination, marginalization and even genocide when taken to the extreme.
- Rovanion 13y ago
  Microsoft has it.