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Say you use some service based in Europe or Asia, and you visited a bunch of countries in Europe or Asia. would you be okay if those governments accessed your

by vijayr 13y ago

Say you use some service based in Europe or Asia, and you visited a bunch of countries in Europe or Asia. would you be okay if those governments accessed your data, without any reason, without any warrant? It is not about Americans vs foreigners, or paying taxes or jury duty - it is about having a valid reason for anyone to access anybody's data, and doing it the proper way (warrant etc). Not just in the US, but anywhere in the world. May be other governments in other countries are doing the same, we don't know. If that's the case, this is very depressing - pretty soon, everyone will be spying on everyone else (if that is not already happening), and this wouldn't be a nice way to live

mpyne 13y ago
No offense but I already assume that any information that would run across e.g. Iran or China is intercepted and extracted for absolutely everything it's worth. Mostly I avoid the issue by not visiting Weibo, etc., but I realize that's not very helpful for those not in the U.S. since there's really only the one Facebook, Google, etc. Perhaps this kind of thing would lead to either increased federation of website (e.g. there's be a U.S. Google and a E.U. Google and swapping amongst them would not be completely frictionless). Either that or reciprocal agreements between different nations to increase the privacy rights of their citizens (in fact I thought these already existed). But I don't see a solution that involves not having all these nations intelligence agencies simply skipping out on the collection of intelligence part.
- vijayr 13y ago
  I wasn't saying they should skip intelligence collection, please re-read my comment above. The intelligence agencies exist and are needed for a reason, and they should collect/process information etc - that is their job, isn't it?. No-one is disagreeing with that. However, they should do it via proper legal channels, and do it with valid reason - not just collect all information on everyone en-masse. And the laws governing these should be transparent.
  - mpyne 13y ago
    Well whatever else it is, PRISM is "valid legal channels" (even for foreign citizens). There's no generic authority to simply extract information on any desired foreign citizen even now. The law itself is transparent, though the court system actually implementing it is not, nor is the proceedings by which the law is drafted and debated. But with that in mind I'm not sure how much you're really asking to be different.

by vijayr 13y ago

mpyne 13y ago

No offense but I already assume that any information that would run across e.g. Iran or China is intercepted and extracted for absolutely everything it's worth. Mostly I avoid the issue by not visiting Weibo, etc., but I realize that's not very helpful for those not in the U.S. since there's really only the one Facebook, Google, etc. Perhaps this kind of thing would lead to either increased federation of website (e.g. there's be a U.S. Google and a E.U. Google and swapping amongst them would not be completely frictionless). Either that or reciprocal agreements between different nations to increase the privacy rights of their citizens (in fact I thought these already existed). But I don't see a solution that involves not having all these nations intelligence agencies simply skipping out on the collection of intelligence part.

vijayr 13y ago
I wasn't saying they should skip intelligence collection, please re-read my comment above. The intelligence agencies exist and are needed for a reason, and they should collect/process information etc - that is their job, isn't it?. No-one is disagreeing with that. However, they should do it via proper legal channels, and do it with valid reason - not just collect all information on everyone en-masse. And the laws governing these should be transparent.
- mpyne 13y ago
  Well whatever else it is, PRISM is "valid legal channels" (even for foreign citizens). There's no generic authority to simply extract information on any desired foreign citizen even now. The law itself is transparent, though the court system actually implementing it is not, nor is the proceedings by which the law is drafted and debated. But with that in mind I'm not sure how much you're really asking to be different.