>Seems to be a very good reason why persuasion based around "constitutionality" is not a waste of time. Perhaps, but it's not a very good reason to engage in a

>Seems to be a very good reason why persuasion based around "constitutionality" is not a waste of time. Perhaps, but it's not a very good reason to engage in an argument with someone making positive claims about "constitutionality" (e.g., rayiner). Personally, I'm disinclined to participate in a lie merely in the hopes of yielding a favorable outcome, particularly when doing so cedes the fundamental point of my position. I am content to simply note the lie.