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Open source project sounds more likely, though you did say "startup". Startups don't seem to be rushing to build network infrastructure (apart from their own).

by jiggy2011 13y ago

Open source project sounds more likely, though you did say "startup". Startups don't seem to be rushing to build network infrastructure (apart from their own). Still , I struggle to imagine how such a network might work. Things like Kademlia seem inefficient and inflexible for general use. My ISP has the technology and infrastructure in place to make sure that when I connect to 184.172.10.74 it actually goes to the correct place. They seem ideally suited for this because they have the physical wires. How could I be sure I was talking to the right endpoint on an overlay network? PKI? Do I have to choose an overlay provider to route my packets around?

ay 13y ago
http://www.epostmail.org&#x2F http://www.epostmail.org/ - seemed like an interesting technology, at least by reading the papers. Unfortunately getting it to run involved sacrificing at least a dozen newborn animals - which is maybe the reason it never went up. Also, of course the mail delivery took tens of minutes even in a trivial ring of 4 machines connected on the local LAN. Maybe I had something wrong in the setup, though.
tptacek 13y ago
I'm really burying the lede on my crazy dream, because: The great thing about overlay networks is you don't need anyone's permission to build them. All you need is an app that really benefits from the advantages of an overlay network, some of which include: * Point-to-multipoint or multipoint-multipoint delivery (ie, multicast) * Logical addressing decoupled from network topology * All points rendezvous between nodes that don't have inbound connectivity because of firewalls I agree with you that it's unlikely anyone will be successful building this as a product that is simply "new Internet"; what I think is more likely is that people will starting having more and more Skype-like successes by ignoring the "rules" of IPv4 connectivity and routing around them in the "application layer"† like the brain damage they are. † ... which is a stupid term that blinds people to how much power we have as developers
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ay 13y ago

http://www.epostmail.org&#x2F http://www.epostmail.org/ - seemed like an interesting technology, at least by reading the papers. Unfortunately getting it to run involved sacrificing at least a dozen newborn animals - which is maybe the reason it never went up. Also, of course the mail delivery took tens of minutes even in a trivial ring of 4 machines connected on the local LAN. Maybe I had something wrong in the setup, though.

tptacek 13y ago

I'm really burying the lede on my crazy dream, because: The great thing about overlay networks is you don't need anyone's permission to build them. All you need is an app that really benefits from the advantages of an overlay network, some of which include: * Point-to-multipoint or multipoint-multipoint delivery (ie, multicast) * Logical addressing decoupled from network topology * All points rendezvous between nodes that don't have inbound connectivity because of firewalls I agree with you that it's unlikely anyone will be successful building this as a product that is simply "new Internet"; what I think is more likely is that people will starting having more and more Skype-like successes by ignoring the "rules" of IPv4 connectivity and routing around them in the "application layer"† like the brain damage they are. † ... which is a stupid term that blinds people to how much power we have as developers

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