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But, but, he's a rapist! So we should all denounce him. This is the view now held by most about Assange, sadly. On the note of Greenwald, it looks like it's a
by madaxe 13y ago
But, but, he's a rapist! So we should all denounce him.
This is the view now held by most about Assange, sadly.
On the note of Greenwald, it looks like it's already started:
Gabriel Schoenfeld, a national security expert and senior fellow at the Hudson Institute who is often on the opposite ends of issues from Mr. Greenwald, called him, “a highly professional apologist for any kind of anti-Americanism no matter how extreme.”
They'll be calling him a terrorist within the week.
- einhverfr 13y agoI still stand by it, they will pay someone to make accusations of pedophilia or something. Calling him a terrorist is too close to the controversy. The approach taken to Assange is far more effective.
- rayiner 13y ago> But, but, he's a rapist! So we should all denounce him. The U.S. didn't charge him with that. > On the note of Greenwald, it looks like it's already started: What's already started? People call their political opponents names all the time.
- epsylon 13y ago> The U.S. didn't charge him with that. Nope, they got Sweden to do it for them.
- revdinosaur 13y agoThat sort of claim seems to warrant extraordinary proof. Do you happen to have any?
- jessaustin 13y agoAre we to understand that Sweden has not charged him? Why then are they trying to extradite him?
- netrus 13y agoDo you know Sweden? I cannot believe that to be true. We are not talking about Iraq or GB, but a strong European democracy, with no extraordinary ties to the US. Sure, the victims might be lying. But I would trust a Swedish court to decide on that any day.
- einhverfr 13y agoI am wondering how hard it would be for the CIA to pay someone to make an accusation? It need not involve a conspiracy between governments. You pay someone to make an accusation, press charges or find some other way of applying pressure and let the other government respond to it. Look at who you'd have to have on board for something like this: Do you need the prosecutor on board? Not if he thinks the allegations are true. Do you need the Swedish government on board? Not if they believe the allegations might be true. Do you need the alleged victim on board? Yes. This is the only one you really need on board to do such a thing.
- stelonix 13y agoAre we talking about the same Sweden which had lax laws on copyright but upon pressure from the United States (including threats of trade sanctions) ended up arresting The Pirate Bay founders?
- Gobitron 13y agoSorry, but that statement about Greenwald is basically true. People are multi-faceted, and Greenwald is by no means perfect. IMHO, he says a lot of extremely stupid, barely defensible things. It doesn't take away from the work he's done exposing the NSA spying. But his success there doesn't make him a saint either.
- aqme28 13y agoWhat are some of the barely defensible things he's argued for?
- ixnu 13y agoSam Harris has impugned his character on twitter and his blog. http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/dear-fellow-liberal2 http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/dear-fellow-liberal2
- aqme28 13y agoI don't see how that's really relevant to literally anything. The crux of Greenwald's response: "Given that I had never written about Sam Harris, I found it odd that I had become the symbol of Harris-bashing for some of his faithful followers. Tweeting a link to an Al Jazeera column about Harris and saying I find one of his quotes revealing does not make me responsible for every claim in that column...That said, what I did say in my emails with Harris - and what I unequivocally affirm again now - is not that Harris is a "racist", but rather that he and others like him spout and promote Islamophobia under the guise of rational atheism." http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/03/sam-harris-muslim-animus http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/03/sam-harr... edit: by not relevant, I mean that Sam Harris's opinion of Greenwald doesn't mean that Greenwald has indefensible opinions.
- ixnu 13y agoMore to the point of your response to; "Greenwald is by no means perfect." I agree that he is by no means perfect and can hold views that can be seen as the parent's point.