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Great, so he's an accomplice. I don't think very many people actually dispute that. I certainly don't. So fucking what? What does identifying him as an accomp

by rosser 13y ago

Great, so he's an accomplice. I don't think very many people actually dispute that. I certainly don't. So fucking what? What does identifying him as an accomplice to the surveillance actually do? Does it make the surveillance somehow magically stop? Does it delete all the data the NSA, CIA, FBI, and other TLAs have about you from their databases? Or does it just serve to stoke your righteous indignation over getting fooled by yet another politician? When can we stop bickering over whose goddamned fault it is and start, you know, fixing it?

jlgreco 13y ago
How can you begin to approach a problem in a representative system if mentioning the names of problematic representatives is considered taboo?
- ak39 13y ago
  He's not saying it's taboo to name drop. He's saying don't be so naive to play in the hands of a system designed to deflect from taking real action to fix the erosion of civil liberties.
  - jlgreco 13y ago
    > "He's saying don't be so naive to play in the hands of a system designed to deflect from taking real action to fix the erosion of civil liberties." Conveniently, he is saying that every time somebody merely mentions a name.
pessimizer 13y ago
You seem to be doing all of the bickering. Whenever anyone says that they're disappointed and/or angry at Obama for this, you respond by accusing people of being ignorant or lazy. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that not many Obama voters are disappointed in Bush for this, because they didn't think highly of Bush, and never voted for him. In fact, their landslide for Obama seemed primarily a response to policies just like this from his predecessor. Now, they see those confirmed escalated, rather than ended or even slowed. That's a threat to the entire idea of American democracy. So when are you going to stop bickering about who's fault it's not, and start fixing it?
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by rosser 13y ago

jlgreco 13y ago

How can you begin to approach a problem in a representative system if mentioning the names of problematic representatives is considered taboo?

ak39 13y ago
He's not saying it's taboo to name drop. He's saying don't be so naive to play in the hands of a system designed to deflect from taking real action to fix the erosion of civil liberties.
- jlgreco 13y ago
  > "He's saying don't be so naive to play in the hands of a system designed to deflect from taking real action to fix the erosion of civil liberties." Conveniently, he is saying that every time somebody merely mentions a name.

pessimizer 13y ago

You seem to be doing all of the bickering. Whenever anyone says that they're disappointed and/or angry at Obama for this, you respond by accusing people of being ignorant or lazy. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that not many Obama voters are disappointed in Bush for this, because they didn't think highly of Bush, and never voted for him. In fact, their landslide for Obama seemed primarily a response to policies just like this from his predecessor. Now, they see those confirmed escalated, rather than ended or even slowed. That's a threat to the entire idea of American democracy. So when are you going to stop bickering about who's fault it's not, and start fixing it?

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