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If you're referring to online petitions then you needn't waste your time, there are already petitions to make sure this never happens. It's called US Senate el

by ihsw 13y ago

If you're referring to online petitions then you needn't waste your time, there are already petitions to make sure this never happens. It's called US Senate elections[1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,... That bullshit called the Presidential elections? It's a dog and pony show.

cinquemb 13y ago
There's a famous quote somewhere about where political power really comes from… I look to history (and present day actions) and it seems like a fitting solution to meaningful representation. Then again, years later we could be right back where we started… Hint: The last bit I left out rhymes with "carol of the sun" ;)
- PavlovsCat 13y ago
  I don't know what quote you are referring to, but here is my favourite one. "You don’t know what order with freedom means! You only know what revolt against oppression is! You don’t know that the rod, discipline, violence, the state and government can only be sustained because of you and because of your lack of socially creative powers that develop order within liberty!" --- Gustav Landauer It humbles me every time I read it, because to resist or to rebel against existing things is easy, at least for me.. but to actually put thought and effort into things "building a better world" in a sustainable and organized way, to be creative in co-operation and compromising with others, to get out of all these comfort zones, etc. It's a lifetime effort, and none of us will see all the fruits of it, or ever be sure the fruit won't be snatched up, so the default is to not even try, except a little bit here and there. It's like living hand to mouth, but in a political sense. It's all just reaction, and that sucks.
  - cinquemb 13y ago
    I don't think it is an easy thing to rebel in effective means… We americans like to cite the revolutionary war but forgetting that less than 1% of the population did any fighting [0], and even then there was massive outside nation state influence (ex: France.) Kinda similar to whats going on in syria now [1]… and other places in the past and present. But I do agree with the literation of it being like living hand to mouth, but I think it goes far beyond being a political sense. Mortgages, paychecks, car loans, insurance, student loans, dead end jobs, that gadget we just have to have, endless media d̶i̶s̶t̶r̶a̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ entertainment, the food we eat… when do we, as a society (people from all backgrounds, sadly not all of us are invited to BBG 2013 and Google Zeitgeist in Watford) really give ourselves the time to think or push the boundaries outside current constructs to forge something transcendent? [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EiSymRrKI4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EiSymRrKI4 [1]: http://www.cfr.org/qatar/tiny-qatars-big-plans-may-change-mideast/p26143 http://www.cfr.org/qatar/tiny-qatars-big-plans-may-change-mi...
samstave 13y ago
I totally understand that regarding the petitions and everything else - but John Q Public may not and seeing millions sign a petition that is ignored will hopefully cause a further awakening in people.
- flyinRyan 13y ago
  Did all the other ignored petitions cause any awakening?
pvdm 13y ago
Dog and pony show where the survellance state media gets paid.

by ihsw 13y ago

cinquemb 13y ago

There's a famous quote somewhere about where political power really comes from… I look to history (and present day actions) and it seems like a fitting solution to meaningful representation. Then again, years later we could be right back where we started… Hint: The last bit I left out rhymes with "carol of the sun" ;)

PavlovsCat 13y ago
I don't know what quote you are referring to, but here is my favourite one. "You don’t know what order with freedom means! You only know what revolt against oppression is! You don’t know that the rod, discipline, violence, the state and government can only be sustained because of you and because of your lack of socially creative powers that develop order within liberty!" --- Gustav Landauer It humbles me every time I read it, because to resist or to rebel against existing things is easy, at least for me.. but to actually put thought and effort into things "building a better world" in a sustainable and organized way, to be creative in co-operation and compromising with others, to get out of all these comfort zones, etc. It's a lifetime effort, and none of us will see all the fruits of it, or ever be sure the fruit won't be snatched up, so the default is to not even try, except a little bit here and there. It's like living hand to mouth, but in a political sense. It's all just reaction, and that sucks.
- cinquemb 13y ago
  I don't think it is an easy thing to rebel in effective means… We americans like to cite the revolutionary war but forgetting that less than 1% of the population did any fighting [0], and even then there was massive outside nation state influence (ex: France.) Kinda similar to whats going on in syria now [1]… and other places in the past and present. But I do agree with the literation of it being like living hand to mouth, but I think it goes far beyond being a political sense. Mortgages, paychecks, car loans, insurance, student loans, dead end jobs, that gadget we just have to have, endless media d̶i̶s̶t̶r̶a̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ entertainment, the food we eat… when do we, as a society (people from all backgrounds, sadly not all of us are invited to BBG 2013 and Google Zeitgeist in Watford) really give ourselves the time to think or push the boundaries outside current constructs to forge something transcendent? [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EiSymRrKI4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EiSymRrKI4 [1]: http://www.cfr.org/qatar/tiny-qatars-big-plans-may-change-mideast/p26143 http://www.cfr.org/qatar/tiny-qatars-big-plans-may-change-mi...

samstave 13y ago

I totally understand that regarding the petitions and everything else - but John Q Public may not and seeing millions sign a petition that is ignored will hopefully cause a further awakening in people.

flyinRyan 13y ago
Did all the other ignored petitions cause any awakening?

pvdm 13y ago

Dog and pony show where the survellance state media gets paid.