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How many times does some one have to say this? I'm sorry, but this sort of comment is getting pretty tiresome. Yes we all "knew". All of us "knew". Some of us

by alan_cx 13y ago

How many times does some one have to say this? I'm sorry, but this sort of comment is getting pretty tiresome. Yes we all "knew". All of us "knew". Some of us have "known" for something like 15 years. (Which, BTW, is why I'm most sure why Obama is getting so much flack. Its a Clinton - Bush - Obama scandal.) But none of us, not one, actually did know anything at all. We suspected, or assumed. But we did not know. Not unless one of us is working for the NSA, etc, etc. (Ironic if I have just picked on the one poster who is) Now we do know. It is absolute. No doubt, no shouting down, we know. There is a huge difference: Before we were written off as conspiracy nuts jobs. Now we have certain knowledge. Im not picking on you personally. Your post is one of many in the past couple of days. As such I have not down voted you, that would be unfair. But please, can people stop with this sort of comment? We all know we "knew".

samsonasu 13y ago
No. Don't downplay people concerned with privacy who noticed a series of obvious, blatant actions over a period of literally decades as cynics or conspiracy nuts. You are picking on people; we really did know, not "know." It was obvious, it remains obvious, and the fact is that its going to continue and get worse despite the revelations of this week, unless we do something. Painting rational people who notice and complain about government overreach as paranoid is precisely what enables the expansion of these policies. You should be asking what you can do now to help rather than setting us up to be further discredited or ignored by implying our years of complaining weren't substantiated until just now.
- lucian1900 13y ago
  Alan's point is that others have downplayed us, people concerned with privacy, as conspiracy nuts. Having hard evidence helps with that.
guiambros 13y ago
Am I the only one to think this is too good to be true? I mean, this can have the exact opposite effect, and become a big "don't trust what you read on the Internet, kids". NSA doesn't even have to deny anything. Let the other interested parties wash their hands, and leave with a "told ya" smile. Not sure if it was intentional or not, but seems a very convenient prank. I know, Conspiracy theory^-1. We'll see.
- guiambros 13y ago
  "Told ya". http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/06/google-facebook-apple-deny-participation-in-nsa-prism-program/ http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/06/google-facebook-apple-deny-...
eli 13y ago
I mean, I guess I see what you're saying, but obviously at least a handful of people at each of the member companies knew. I believe those are the people the parent comment is talking about.

by alan_cx 13y ago

samsonasu 13y ago

No. Don't downplay people concerned with privacy who noticed a series of obvious, blatant actions over a period of literally decades as cynics or conspiracy nuts. You are picking on people; we really did know, not "know." It was obvious, it remains obvious, and the fact is that its going to continue and get worse despite the revelations of this week, unless we do something. Painting rational people who notice and complain about government overreach as paranoid is precisely what enables the expansion of these policies. You should be asking what you can do now to help rather than setting us up to be further discredited or ignored by implying our years of complaining weren't substantiated until just now.

lucian1900 13y ago
Alan's point is that others have downplayed us, people concerned with privacy, as conspiracy nuts. Having hard evidence helps with that.

guiambros 13y ago

Am I the only one to think this is too good to be true? I mean, this can have the exact opposite effect, and become a big "don't trust what you read on the Internet, kids". NSA doesn't even have to deny anything. Let the other interested parties wash their hands, and leave with a "told ya" smile. Not sure if it was intentional or not, but seems a very convenient prank. I know, Conspiracy theory^-1. We'll see.

guiambros 13y ago
"Told ya". http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/06/google-facebook-apple-deny-participation-in-nsa-prism-program/ http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/06/google-facebook-apple-deny-...

eli 13y ago

I mean, I guess I see what you're saying, but obviously at least a handful of people at each of the member companies knew. I believe those are the people the parent comment is talking about.